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Feb 28 2019 12:42pm
%dr is one thing, also. and MDR integer is another. losnig that 15 MDR opens up a whole avenue of lower dmg amounts that you take, rather than negate it. mainly a concern for light dmg, as it's 1-XXXX amount means there's a LOT of hits you wont take any dmg from. and plays into MDR bugging a much wider range of damages as well.

edit: on topic this is also why light orbs never really sell for much lol, they're unusable for max fcr bp without losing literally all slots to FCR items.

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Feb 28 2019 12:52pm
Quote (breakbeatz2 @ 28 Feb 2019 19:34)
Increasing 60%DR to 69%DR = 22.5% decrease in damage taken

Increasing 0%DR to 15%DR = 15% decrease in damage taken


solid math. yet, my point is that it's 69% and not 75% as one might think.

how much more likely is it that you will be left with zero mana after a few hits when using fc ring + string vs soj+fc belt?
how likely is it that you will have to land one extra hit on your opponent due to the loss of dmg when using fc ring?
you'll even use some % es (or more mana if you use a cube)..

i haven't done the math, but pretty sure it won't even be close
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Feb 28 2019 01:24pm
Quote (rudipk @ Feb 28 2019 01:52pm)
solid math. yet, my point is that it's 69% and not 75% as one might think.

how much more likely is it that you will be left with zero mana after a few hits when using fc ring + string vs soj+fc belt?
how likely is it that you will have to land one extra hit on your opponent due to the loss of dmg when using fc ring?
you'll even use some % es (or more mana if you use a cube)..

i haven't done the math, but pretty sure it won't even be close


the MDR alone makes it worth using string on an ES moreso than any other build.
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%dr is one thing, also. and MDR integer is another. losnig that 15 MDR opens up a whole avenue of lower dmg amounts that you take, rather than negate it. mainly a concern for light dmg, as it's 1-XXXX amount means there's a LOT of hits you wont take any dmg from. and plays into MDR bugging a much wider range of damages as well.

edit: on topic this is also why light orbs never really sell for much lol, they're unusable for max fcr bp without losing literally all slots to FCR items.


i guess it depends on how you play. if you assume that you'll always have enough mana for ES to keep up, those will come in handy. from my experience, that will require quite regular "tele off map and regen". nowadays, i doubt anyone (except dongdale perhaps xD) will be willing to do that.
my sense is that those 15 damage won't make a difference if you are at 0 mana and take 100% dmg - 15 instead of 40% - 0.

this brings us back to "how much more likely are the next hits to take all of my mana without soj?"

so -22% dmg vs 0<x(the relative increase in likelyhood of zero mana without soj)<1*0.42 (assuming -15 makes a ~5% difference)

that relative increase in likelyhood is hard to estimate, i suppose. might be interesting to get some numbers there. if it's less than 50%, then string wins. based on this comparison.

however, the complete loss of mana will also increase chance for death, e.g. due to being stunned by the hit (chance for stun is much higher when es is down). or inability to teleport.

ultimately the question perhaps can't be answered objectively as clearly as it seemed based on my intuition. still, you won't see me use string on any of my sorcs xD

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Feb 28 2019 01:28pm
Quote (rudipk @ Feb 28 2019 11:24am)
i guess it depends on how you play. if you assume that you'll always have enough mana for ES to keep up, those will come in handy. from my experience, that will require quite regular "tele off map and regen". nowadays, i doubt anyone (except dongdale perhaps xD) will be willing to do that.
my sense is that those 15 damage won't make a difference if you are at 0 mana and take 100% dmg - 15 instead of 40% - 0.

this brings us back to "how likely are the next hits to take all of my mana?"

so -22% dmg vs 0<x(the relative increase in likelyhood of zero mana without soj)<1*0.42 (assuming -15 makes a ~5% difference)

that relative increase in likelyhood is hard to estimate, i suppose. might be interesting to get some numbers there. if it's less than 50%, then string wins. based on this comparison.

however, the complete loss of mana will also increase chance for death, e.g. due to being stunned by the hit (chance for stun is much higher when es is down). or inability to teleport.

ultimately the question perhaps can't be answered objectively as clearly as it seemed based on my intuition. still, you won't see me use string on any of my sorcs xD


Esfb and eslight-fcr belt
Esblizz-SoE
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Feb 28 2019 01:33pm
Quote (Co99020 @ 28 Feb 2019 20:28)
Esfb and eslight-fcr belt
Esblizz-SoE


listen to the master of sorcs xD
(blizz is played with 63fcr i assume?)
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Feb 28 2019 01:42pm
Quote (rudipk @ Feb 28 2019 11:33am)
listen to the master of sorcs xD
(blizz is played with 63fcr i assume?)



Yes with orb low fhr
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Feb 28 2019 02:03pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 28 2019 07:42pm)
%dr is one thing, also. and MDR integer is another. losnig that 15 MDR opens up a whole avenue of lower dmg amounts that you take, rather than negate it. mainly a concern for light dmg, as it's 1-XXXX amount means there's a LOT of hits you wont take any dmg from. and plays into MDR bugging a much wider range of damages as well.

edit: on topic this is also why light orbs never really sell for much lol, they're unusable for max fcr bp without losing literally all slots to FCR items.


The main duels where you get hit with ele dmg on a sorc I would rather the fcr belt almost for the fhr bp if nothing else (given no wsg on europe). Heavy caveat being I suck on sorcs haha.

Also id take my 20fcr orb on a sorc and a lower fcr bp for lightning. Still faster than pretty much anything other than something I would lose to anyways like a fb sorc. Not to mention Ferdia might cry if he ever finds out I stopped using it!
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Feb 28 2019 02:16pm
ya this situation gets really wierd when you factor in east vs eu.

no wsg, bmanas, etc.

and if it's hardcore u can use insight + es because no one gives a shit. i think this guy asked for hardcore, but neglected to mention it.
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Feb 28 2019 02:51pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 28 2019 09:16pm)
ya this situation gets really wierd when you factor in east vs eu.

no wsg, bmanas, etc.

and if it's hardcore u can use insight + es because no one gives a shit. i think this guy asked for hardcore, but neglected to mention it.


Bmanas? What are those? I dont have one of them
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