- trump IS fighting to drain the washington swamp. what he didnt tell on the campaign trail was that he would use the freed up space to fill it with his own swamp creatures. it was always naive to think that he was a righteous white knight in a shining armor who really wanted to clean up washington out of a moral, not self-serving motivation. on this point, I think most of his supporters were fools.
- a quick look at trump's past makes it obvious that his heart wasnt in fiscal responsibility and debt reduction. he quite clearly adopted this language because it was an important part of the GOP messaging over the prior years. however, I dont think trump's base ever cared too much about fiscal responsibility to begin with, so that him breaking his campaign rhetoric on this issue wont matter, even reluctant supporters who would be willing to break with him wont do it over fiscal (ir)responsibility.
- yes, I guess most of them believed him on the "I wont benefit from my own tax cuts"-talking point. that's a broken promise, and one that imho matters. imho, this is one of the most potent lines of attack for democrats, but they are too obsessed with identity politics to seize the opportunity.




those offers were trojan horses, not fair compromises.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 16 2019 10:31am

No, they really havent. Please look at what they offered.

If I approach you to buy a car, and you offer me a tire. That's not really the same thing.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Feb 16 2019 10:30am

Well considering the campaign promise was that mexico was going to pay for the wall I'd say they were generous in all of their offers now that the lie will be funded by US tax payers

It's definitely a different issue than an environmental issue. When you take the current state of Mexico into account.
If the United States wasn't as well established as it is, we would likely be overrun by the Cartel right now as well.

In a perfect world, they would have been able to utilize Ted Cruz's idea to seize some of El Chapos wealth to construct it, but that just doesn't sound realistic.

To you

to wall supporters

that won't matter when you're not in power

That's why if people choose to stand with personality and party over principles it will always come back around and our country becomes weaker because of it

why u keep saying when were not in power, or when next president is a democrat. we will be in power for long long time. book it!

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You're in for a rude political awakening young man

The democrats will continue to take the house and they will get the Presidency and will work on the senate eventually, that's what happens in politics, power switches but it does not change, the powerful always want more power and they will always try to gain more

The people have a choice to allow it or to fight to keep a balanced and principled system that prevents abuse. Our foundation is strong but if we do not maintain it and allow damage term after term eventually it will collapse and we the people will pay the price for our political complacency and arrogance

i have a simple question for the trump supporters who think his national emergency declaration to fund the idiot bait wall is justified:

how can you still argue there actually IS an emergency going on despite his own admission that he 'didn't (even) need to do this' and just did it to get his wall 'much faster'?



This post was edited by fender on Feb 16 2019 12:54pm

emergency is IMMINENT DANGER - TRUMP GOAT