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Feb 8 2019 05:22am
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ

Yesterday the office of Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez unveiled a plan for a 'Green New Deal', a set of goals to reach within 10 years.
It lays out a comprehensive policy vision for how to transform the US economy, infrastructure and social system to achieve a 'Green' country.
Some highlights from her modest proposal. And yes, this is her real proposal, and she is a congresswoman, and this is real:
  • Refit every single one of the ~170 million+ structures in America to be state of the art energy efficient.
  • Replace all ~300 million+ internal combustion engine passenger vehicles, work vehicles and equipment to be electric.
  • Repair and upgrade all US infrastructure and industry
  • Replace the entire US electrical grid with a 'smart grid'
  • Eliminate all cow farts and airplanes
  • Replace all domestic air traffic with high speed rail lines (Mazie Hirono interjected at this point to add "That would be pretty hard for Hawaii")
  • Provide public transportation to all Americans everywhere
  • Create enough renewable energy production to provide for the entire US power grid with zero fossil fuels (estimates at covering 12% of the US landmass in turbines before the extra power needs of a fully electric society)
  • End all domestic fossil fuel production, consumption and exports
  • Guarantee economic security all Americans who are unwilling to work

Conservative estimates put the cost of this deal at ~$50 trillion over 10 years before the new and more ambitious plan was announced, particularly with the last bullet point about providing for every non-working American. Given AOC considers $15/hr the minimum for a living wage and I can estimate ~99% of America would opt to stop working, that should be another ~$102 trillion on top of her plan, while simultaneously reducing the US GDP to ~0% of its current value. To fund her plan, her policy outline lays out how the entire project can be paid for via deficit spending, with the Federal Reserve extending credit to power these projects and the government being given equity stakes. I wasn't accounting for inflation over those 10 years, and while normally that would be ~2% yty I'd have to account for inflation under her monopoly money plan which we can estimate as about ~1,000,000% inflation rate like in Venezuela, so over those 10 years at a base rate of ~15.2 trillion per year her project might cost closer to 1.5215e+37 USD. This is a hard number to represent since metric prefixes only go up to Yotta at 10^24.
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Feb 8 2019 05:25am
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 8 2019 06:22am)
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ

Yesterday the office of Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez unveiled a plan for a 'Green New Deal', a set of goals to reach within 10 years.
It lays out a comprehensive policy vision for how to transform the US economy, infrastructure and social system to achieve a 'Green' country.
Some highlights from her modest proposal. And yes, this is her real proposal, and she is a congresswoman, and this is real:
  • Refit every single one of the ~170 million+ structures in America to be state of the art energy efficient.
  • Replace all ~300 million+ internal combustion engine passenger vehicles, work vehicles and equipment to be electric.
  • Repair and upgrade all US infrastructure and industry
  • Replace the entire US electrical grid with a 'smart grid'
  • Eliminate all cow farts and airplanes
  • Replace all domestic air traffic with high speed rail lines (Mazie Hirono interjected at this point to add "That would be pretty hard for Hawaii")
  • Provide public transportation to all Americans everywhere
  • Create enough renewable energy production to provide for the entire US power grid with zero fossil fuels (estimates at covering 12% of the US landmass in turbines before the extra power needs of a fully electric society)
  • End all domestic fossil fuel production, consumption and exports
  • Guarantee economic security all Americans who are unwilling to work

Conservative estimates put the cost of this deal at ~$50 trillion over 10 years before the new and more ambitious plan was announced, particularly with the last bullet point about providing for every non-working American. Given AOC considers $15/hr the minimum for a living wage and I can estimate ~99% of America would opt to stop working, that should be another ~$102 trillion on top of her plan, while simultaneously reducing the US GDP to ~0% of its current value. To fund her plan, her policy outline lays out how the entire project can be paid for via deficit spending, with the Federal Reserve extending credit to power these projects and the government being given equity stakes. I wasn't accounting for inflation over those 10 years, and while normally that would be ~2% yty I'd have to account for inflation under her monopoly money plan which we can estimate as about ~1,000,000% inflation rate like in Venezuela, so over those 10 years at a base rate of ~15.2 trillion per year her project might cost closer to 1.5215e+37 USD. This is a hard number to represent since metric prefixes only go up to Yotta at 10^24.


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Feb 8 2019 05:27am
... + ending natural gas heating in all homes and replacing with geothermal heat pumps.
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Feb 8 2019 05:39am
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... + ending natural gas heating in all homes and replacing with geothermal heat pumps.


yeah thats part of bullet point #1. Conservatively estimating ~$100,000 per structure to be state-of-the-art we could put it at $17 trillion for that proposal alone, about the total US GDP. However the labor costs required to refit so many structures in under 10 years would exceed the capabilities of the entire US labor force conscripted into being slaves under a god-pharaoh Cortez, and require us to invade other countries and subjugate their populations to toil as our peons. This fortunately has the double effect of reducing world overpopulation and cutting emissions, as well as freeing up the landmasses required to be completely filled every square inch with windmills, lets say we take the entirety of China.

Personally, I have a much more modest and workable proposal in which we simply construct a series of enormous rocket thrusters on the surface of the moon and nudge it slightly so that the moon's orbit around the earth is locked into a syzygy transit once per synodic month, causing both a lunar and solar eclipse every ~30 days. Right now the moon is only inclined from the earth's orbit by ~5 degrees, so the forces necessary to cause a perturbation required to place it on a perfectly ecliptic is far more achievable than AOC's plan. Big ol moon rockets. Between blocking a tiny fraction of 1% of total sunlight to reach the earth and ending the gravitational 3TW of energy transferred from the moon to the earth by tidal forces on the oceans causing friction as the moon recesses 4 cm/yr, this should be sufficient to offset the global warming caused by anthropogenic carbon emissions.
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Feb 8 2019 06:02am
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 8 2019 06:39am)
yeah thats part of bullet point #1. Conservatively estimating ~$100,000 per structure to be state-of-the-art we could put it at $17 trillion for that proposal alone, about the total US GDP. However the labor costs required to refit so many structures in under 10 years would exceed the capabilities of the entire US labor force conscripted into being slaves under a god-pharaoh Cortez, and require us to invade other countries and subjugate their populations to toil as our peons. This fortunately has the double effect of reducing world overpopulation and cutting emissions, as well as freeing up the landmasses required to be completely filled every square inch with windmills, lets say we take the entirety of China.

Personally, I have a much more modest and workable proposal in which we simply construct a series of enormous rocket thrusters on the surface of the moon and nudge it slightly so that the moon's orbit around the earth is locked into a syzygy transit once per synodic month, causing both a lunar and solar eclipse every ~30 days. Right now the moon is only inclined from the earth's orbit by ~5 degrees, so the forces necessary to cause a perturbation required to place it on a perfectly ecliptic is far more achievable than AOC's plan. Big ol moon rockets. Between blocking a tiny fraction of 1% of total sunlight to reach the earth and ending the gravitational 3TW of energy transferred from the moon to the earth by tidal forces on the oceans causing friction as the moon recesses 4 cm/yr, this should be sufficient to offset the global warming caused by anthropogenic carbon emissions.


This plan is clearly superior to AOC's plan so i'm sure she will accept the scientific consensus and eagerly support it.
Since she has been a leader in fighting climate change by literally any means possible I think it would only be right if we allowed her to join the project.
She can be on the rocket to the moon.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Feb 8 2019 06:04am
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Feb 8 2019 06:15am
NEETs will love it
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Feb 8 2019 06:24am
They just need to say that Mexico will pay for it.
So you owned yourself :rofl:
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Feb 8 2019 06:33am
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Feb 8 2019 06:36am
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They just need to say that Mexico will pay for it.
So you owned yourself :rofl:


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