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Feb 14 2019 10:27pm
Referring back to previous tests and your post here... I am going to test another theory.

Quote (BWConformity @ Feb 3 2019 07:46pm)
Average of this is 11.2 which falls right between 11.4 (for 67 str 53 dex) and 11.1 (for 92 str 53 dex) so I think it's becoming pretty clear that all that matters is the 53 dex and not the str and not the level :P


Based on Dexterity being 53, I am going to use that as a point of reference for Swords / Longswords. And will reverse this using Staff / Polearms i.e. 53 Strength.

The theory is to see any diminishing returns from here, and also trying to stay within the 10% Critical Hit chance scenario without sacrificing too much damage.
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Feb 17 2019 09:16am
Critical Strike Test: +6 ... level 1-10 then re-roll.

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Battle Axe
Explore
Salvation
6 crit strike
1% armor pierce
0% powershot
3% damage return


Lvl 01.00 - 03.06 Str 55 Dex 41 1/020___2/020___5/020___2/020___0/020 - Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10%
Lvl 03.06 - 04.90 Str 55 Dex 41 3/020___3/020___3/020___2/020___4/020 - Crits/Hits: 15/100 Crit rate: 15%

Lvl 00.00 - 00.00 Str 55 Dex 41 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000 - Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00%

Will continue on later, need sleep as it is 4.16 am here.
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Feb 17 2019 10:20pm
Critical Strike Test: +6 ... level 1-10 then re-roll.

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Battle Axe TierIII (+3 Crit) / Plate TierIII (+2 Crit) / Wild Heal TierIII (+1 Crit / +11 Dex / + 227 Max Life)... NO Enhanced Effect.
Explore
Salvation
6 crit strike
1% armor pierce
0% powershot
3% damage return


Lvl 01.00 - 03.06 Str 55 Dex 41 1/020___2/020___5/020___2/020___0/020 - Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10%
Lvl 03.06 - 04.90 Str 55 Dex 41 3/020___3/020___3/020___2/020___4/020 - Crits/Hits: 15/100 Crit rate: 15%
Lvl 04.90 - 06.35 Str 55 Dex 41 1/020___5/020___3/020___4/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 15/100 Crit rate: 15%
Lvl 06.35 - 07.47 Str 55 Dex 41 6/020___0/020___2/020___1/020___1/020 - Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10%
Lvl 07.47 - 08.47 Str 55 Dex 41 1/020___3/020___3/020___4/000___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 13/000 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 08.47 - 09.28 Str 55 Dex 41 1/020___2/020___3/020___2/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11%
Lvl 09.28 - 10.03 Str 55 Dex 41 3/020___4/020___4/020___2/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 15/100 Crit rate: 15%
Lvl 10.03 - 10.63 Str 55 Dex 41 6/020___2/020___3/020___2/020___1/020 - Crits/Hits: 14/100 Crit rate: 14%
Lvl 10.63 - 11.42 Str 55 Dex 41 4/020___7/020___4/020___2/020___4/020 - Crits/Hits: 21/000 Crit rate: 21%
Lvl 11.42 - 12.13 Str 55 Dex 41 1/020___3/020___3/020___2/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 12/000 Crit rate: 12%
Lvl 12.13 - 12.79 Str 55 Dex 41 1/020___1/020___4/020___2/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10%
Lvl 12.79 - 13.38 Str 55 Dex 41 4/020___4/020___1/020___1/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 13.38 - 13.95 Str 55 Dex 41 0/020___4/020___4/020___5/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 16/100 Crit rate: 16%
Lvl 13.95 - 14.42 Str 55 Dex 41 4/020___3/020___3/020___1/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 14/100 Crit rate: 14%
Lvl 14.42 - 14.90 Str 55 Dex 41 5/020___3/020___0/020___2/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 14.90 - 15.34 Str 55 Dex 41 5/020___3/020___2/020___1/020___0/020 - Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11%

Lvl 00.00 - 00.00 Str 55 Dex 41 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000 - Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00%

Quite a decent Critical Hit chance with just 6 Critical Strike and only a 14 stat difference.
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Feb 18 2019 05:24am

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Polearm (lvl10 / 93 ee)
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
1% armor pierce
0% powershot


Lvl 15.34 - 16.53 Str 55 Dex 72 3/020___4/020___2/020___2/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 16.53 - 17.69 Str 55 Dex 72 3/020___6/020___0/020___0/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11%
Lvl 17.69 - 18.61 Str 55 Dex 72 2/020___2/020___2/020___4/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 18.61 - 19.54 Str 55 Dex 72 4/020___1/020___1/020___0/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09%
Lvl 19.54 - 20.36 Str 55 Dex 72 2/020___0/020___2/020___3/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09%

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Polearm (lvl20 / 71 ee)
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
0% armor pierce
0% powershot


Lvl 20.36 - 21.21 Str 55 Dex 78 5/020___4/020___3/020___2/020___1/020 - Crits/Hits: 15/100 Crit rate: 15% (Welling @ last 20 actions)
Lvl 21.21 - 21.73 Str 55 Dex 78 1/020___1/020___2/020___1/020___1/020 - Crits/Hits: 06/100 Crit rate: 06% (Welling)
Lvl 21.73 - 22.41 Str 55 Dex 78 1/020___3/020___2/020___4/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 12/000 Crit rate: 12% (Welling stop @ 60 actions)
Lvl 22.41 - 23.43 Str 55 Dex 78 3/020___1/020___2/020___1/020___2/000 - Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09%
Lvl 23.43 - 24.35 Str 55 Dex 78 3/020___1/020___2/020___4/020___0/020 - Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10%
Lvl 24.35 - 00.00 Str 55 Dex 78 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000 - Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00%

Lvl 00.00 - 00.00 Str 55 Dex 78 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000 - Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00%

Taking a break again... be back later on.
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Feb 19 2019 01:40am
Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Polearm (lvl10 / 93 ee)
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
1% armor pierce
0% powershot


Lvl 15.34 - 16.53 Str 55 Dex 72 3/020___4/020___2/020___2/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 16.53 - 17.69 Str 55 Dex 72 3/020___6/020___0/020___0/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11%
Lvl 17.69 - 18.61 Str 55 Dex 72 2/020___2/020___2/020___4/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 18.61 - 19.54 Str 55 Dex 72 4/020___1/020___1/020___0/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09%
Lvl 19.54 - 20.36 Str 55 Dex 72 2/020___0/020___2/020___3/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09%

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Polearm (lvl20 / 71 ee)
Explore
Salvation
0 crit strike
0% armor pierce
0% powershot


Lvl 20.36 - 21.21 Str 55 Dex 78 5/020___4/020___3/020___2/020___1/020 - Crits/Hits: 15/100 Crit rate: 15% (Welling @ last 20 actions)
Lvl 21.21 - 21.73 Str 55 Dex 78 1/020___1/020___2/020___1/020___1/020 - Crits/Hits: 06/100 Crit rate: 06% (Welling)
Lvl 21.73 - 22.41 Str 55 Dex 78 1/020___3/020___2/020___4/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 12/000 Crit rate: 12% (Welling stop @ 60 actions)
Lvl 22.41 - 23.43 Str 55 Dex 78 3/020___1/020___2/020___1/020___2/000 - Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09%
Lvl 23.43 - 24.35 Str 55 Dex 78 3/020___1/020___2/020___4/020___0/020 - Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10%
Forgot to count: Restart will start at 25:

Paladin [Base strength 55 / dexterity 30]
Polearm (lvl25 / 92 ee)
Explore
Salvation
1 crit strike
7% armor pierce
1% powershot


Lvl 25.00 - 26.08 Str 55 Dex 58 4/020___3/020___1/020___2/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 26.08 - 27.02 Str 55 Dex 58 2/020___3/020___3/020___2/020___4/020 - Crits/Hits: 14/000 Crit rate: 14%
Lvl 27.02 - 27.90 Str 55 Dex 58 3/020___2/020___4/020___3/020___1/020 - Crits/Hits: 13/100 Crit rate: 13%
Lvl 27.90 - 28.78 Str 55 Dex 58 2/020___0/020___1/020___3/020___3/020 - Crits/Hits: 09/100 Crit rate: 09%
Lvl 28.78 - 29.64 Str 55 Dex 58 2/020___3/020___0/020___0/020___5/020 - Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10%
Lvl 29.64 - 30.39 Str 55 Dex 58 3/020___2/020___3/020___0/020___4/020 - Crits/Hits: 12/100 Crit rate: 12%
Lvl 30.39 - 31.10 Str 55 Dex 58 5/020___2/020___2/020___2/020___0/020 - Crits/Hits: 11/100 Crit rate: 11%
Lvl 31.10 - 31.82 Str 55 Dex 58 3/020___1/020___3/020___1/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10%
Lvl 31.82 - 32.18 Str 55 Dex 58 5/020___2/020___1/020___0/020___2/020 - Crits/Hits: 10/100 Crit rate: 10% (Welling @ 45 fin @ 97 actions)
Lvl 32.18 - 00.00 Str 55 Dex 58 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000 - Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00%

Lvl 00.00 - 00.00 Str 55 Dex 58 0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000___0/000 - Crits/Hits: 00/000 Crit rate: 00%

Break time from testing, it seems I am the only one continually doing tests, might stop this for awhile and work on my profs and drops, maybe if there was more response, I would work on them more.
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Feb 27 2019 10:13pm
Hey, sorry Rex! I see that you did a lot more trials here after my last post. I’ll see what I can figure out with your data. Thanks!!
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Feb 27 2019 11:29pm
Quote (BWConformity @ Feb 28 2019 05:13pm)
Hey, sorry Rex! I see that you did a lot more trials here after my last post. I’ll see what I can figure out with your data. Thanks!!


Better late than never they say. Oh, I sorted out the power thing just two(2) days ago, managed to get 335$ by working under the table (but not allowed to... :D )

I will have to retest Polearm further, mq'd that character already... but by looking at the str 55 / dex 58 and basically 10% critical hit chance, two(2) hypothesis comes to mind. maybe a 3rd... so then it needs to be tested 3 more times.

1. Stat ratio being 50/50.
2. Stat 55 strength and increasing dex to see if critical hit chance remains around 10%
3. Increase Strength and keep dex around 50 to see if and how often critical hit chance increases (or not)

Am I right about that? or would you just test a different way... oh, I also have been collecting CS gear... will test those out later on... may take time on these... health

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Feb 27 2019 11:29pm
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Feb 28 2019 05:02am
Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 27 2019 07:29pm)
Better late than never they say. Oh, I sorted out the power thing just two(2) days ago, managed to get 335$ by working under the table (but not allowed to... :D )

I will have to retest Polearm further, mq'd that character already... but by looking at the str 55 / dex 58 and basically 10% critical hit chance, two(2) hypothesis comes to mind. maybe a 3rd... so then it needs to be tested 3 more times.

1. Stat ratio being 50/50.
2. Stat 55 strength and increasing dex to see if critical hit chance remains around 10%
3. Increase Strength and keep dex around 50 to see if and how often critical hit chance increases (or not)

Am I right about that? or would you just test a different way... oh, I also have been collecting CS gear... will test those out later on... may take time on these... health


Thanks for starting the polearm tests Rex! Let's look again at this soon to see where it falls into the context of our other tests, but even though I'm in bed I just wanted to post the averages. Since it's hard to see differences in crit rates unless you either have a crazy amount of trials or a decent change in test stats, let's try to test something like 15-20 stat point differences in strength or dex at least? The results from polearms are all pretty similar, but the stats are all about the same (except the 58 dex one, but that one has 1 crit strike).

My hypothesis for polearms (and staves) is currently the dex/str reverse of my hypothesis for swords--that only strength will heavily modify the crit rate. #2 will be able to test that, if you increase dex considerably between tests and don't see a change in crit rate, so that's a good test IMO, especially since your hypothesis is that it will change. #3 is a great test to test my main hypothesis that increasing strength will increase crit chance. I don't know what you mean by #1, but if that's for your hypothesis, sure why not :)

So far the data look like they are showing not much difference in crit chance based on dex (supporting my hypothesis, but ofc #2 will yield more convincing results in support or against).

BA
55 str 41 dex 6 crit
Average crit chance: 13.31% (n=16)

Polearm
55 str 72 dex 0 crit
Average crit chance: 11% (n=5)

55 str 78 dex 0 crit
Average crit chance: 10.4% (n=5)

55 str 58 dex 1 crit
Average crit chance: 11.33% (n=9)
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Feb 28 2019 05:34pm
I figured that this would be a good time to see where we're at and see what other holes we need to fill ;) Here is the summarized test data so far. If anything jumps out atcha write a post :thumbsup:


Compiled Melee Crit Chance Stats To Date (28Feb2019)


Compiled Club Crit Chance:
79str 90dex 6cs - 15% (n=2)
79str 91dex 0cs - 10.5% (n=4)
119str 125dex 1cs - 10.3% (n=3)
119str 52dex 1cs - 5% (n=3)
98str 69dex 0cs - 4.5% (n=2)
221str 34dex 1cs - 4% (n=3)
98str 34dex 0cs - 1% (n=2)


Compiled Warhammer Crit Chance:
Nothing yet


Compiled Sword Crit Chance:
117str 83dex 13cs - 29.3% (n=3)
124str 76dex 13cs - 24% (n=3)
119str 125dex 0cs - 20% (n=2)
147str 53dex 13cs - 19% (n=3)
159str 41dex 13cs - 16% (n=3)
119str 52dex 0cs - 9.5% (n=2)
221str 34dex 0cs - 6.5% (n=2)


Compiled Longsword Crit Chance:
90str 34dex 5cs - 15.8% (n=4)
90str 34dex 8cs - 15.7% (n=3)
80str 40dex 2cs - 12% (n=3)
67str 53dex 0cs - 11.4% (n=5)
95str 53dex 0cs - 11.2% (n=10)
92str 53dex 0cs - 11.1% (n=14)
64str 41dex 1cs - 10% (n=3)
95str 32dex 0cs - 8% (n=12)
77str 32dex 0cs - 7.6% (n=8)
55str 32dex 0cs - 7.5% (n=2)
114str 32dex 0cs - 7.3% (n=25)
114str 32dex 0cs - 6.4% (n=5)
63str 13dex 0cs - 2.1% (n=19)


Compiled Axe Crit Chance:
70str 98dex 11cs - 20.5% (n=4)
70str 133dex 0cs - 18.25% (n=4)
133str 70dex 0cs - 17.75% (n=4)
70str 70dex 0cs - 14% (n=4)
95str 39dex 0cs - 7.7% (n=12)


Compiled Battleaxe Crit Chance:
132str 39dex 0cs - 14.3% (n=18)
90str 36dex 5cs - 13.7% (n=7)
55str 41dex 6cs - 13.3% (n=16)
114str 34dex 0cs - 12% (n=5)
102str 34dex 0cs - 11.3% (n=18)
77str 34dex 0cs - 9.8% (n=6)
95str 34dex 0cs - 9.3% (n=12)


Compiled Staff Crit Chance:
No data yet


Compiled Polearm Crit Chance:
55str 58dex 1cs - 11.3% (n=9)
55str 72dex 0cs - 11% (n=5)
55str 78dex 0cs - 10.4% (n=5)


Compiled Dagger Crit Chance:
45str 118dex 11cs - 13.2% (n=5)
103str 114dex 0cs - 9% (n=9)
45str 116dex 0cs - 3.9% (n=10)


Compiled Spear Crit Chance:
No data yet


Thank you to our testers!
izParagonzi (90% of all the test data!!!)
Jedimagi (Our only dagger tester so far!!)
Meridius (The most amount of crit strike at lvl 1!)


Current hypothesis, still supported from the data IMO:

Quote (BWConformity @ Feb 2 2019 08:35pm)
Str-based weapon crit (Club/Warhammer and Sword/Longsword) is not modified by str and only modified by dex, with club/warhammer being increased only ~half as much by the same amount of increased dex compared to sword/longsword

Dex-based weapon crit (Dagger/Spear and Staff/Polearm) is not modified by dex and only modified by str, with dagger/spear being increased only ~half as much by the same amount of increased str compared to staff/polearm

Axe/Battleaxe crit is modified equally by increased str and dex
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Feb 28 2019 06:47pm
Quote (BWConformity @ Feb 14 2019 01:35pm)
New club data from my character LowLvlz at... low levels below :thumbsup:
Just two trials of each setup but I think the effects are actually quite obivous even with this small sample size. I'll level up a little more then try to get some big crit %s with high dex and crit strike together ;)

LowLvlz Club Crit Test
Constant conditions->
Barbarian
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No abilities


Lvl 10 - 12
Str 79
Dex 90
Total stats: 169
6 crit strike
Lvl 10 Club
Crits/Hits: 13/100
Crit rate: 13%

Lvl 12 - 13
Str 79
Dex 90
Total stats: 169
6 crit strike
Lvl 10 Club
Crits/Hits: 17/100
Crit rate: 17%

Avg of 79str 90dex 6crit = 15%

Lvl 13 - 14
Str 98
Dex 34
Total stats: 132
0 crit strike
Lvl 10 Club
Crits/Hits: 1/100
Crit rate: 1%

Lvl 14 - 14
Str 98
Dex 34
Total stats: 132
0 crit strike
Lvl 10 Club
Crits/Hits: 1/100
Crit rate: 1%

Avg of 98str 34dex 0crit = 1%

Lvl 14 - 15
Str 98
Dex 69
Total stats: 167
0 crit strike
Lvl 10 Club
Crits/Hits: 4/100
Crit rate: 4%

Lvl 15 - 16
Str 98
Dex 69
Total stats: 167
0 crit strike
Lvl 10 Club
Crits/Hits: 5/100
Crit rate: 5%

Avg of 98str 69dex 0crit = 4.5%

Lvl 16 - 17
Str 79
Dex 91
Total stats: 170
0 crit strike
Lvl 10 Club
Crits/Hits: 9/100
Crit rate: 9%

Lvl 17 - 17
Str 79
Dex 91
Total stats: 170
0 crit strike
Lvl 10 Club
Crits/Hits: 11/100
Crit rate: 11%

Lvl 17 - 18
Str 79
Dex 91
Total stats: 170
0 crit strike
Lvl 15 Club
Crits/Hits: 14/100
Crit rate: 14%

Lvl 18 - 19
Str 79
Dex 91
Total stats: 170
0 crit strike
Lvl 15 Club
Crits/Hits: 8/100
Crit rate: 8%

Avg of 79str 91dex 0crit = 10.5%


Combined stats/averages from both club tests I did:
Avg of 79str 90dex 6crit = 15%
Avg of 79str 91dex 0crit = 10.5%
Avg of 119str 125dex 1crit = 10.3%
Avg of 119str 52dex 1crit = 5%
Avg of 98str 69dex 0crit = 4.5%
Avg of 221str 34dex 1crit = 4%
Avg of 98str 34dex 0crit = 1%


I promised a crazy club crit test with stacked dex and crit strike did I not?

Here it is :)

Lagg Club Crit Test
128str 121dex 12crit
Lvl 58 - 59: 22/100 22%
Lvl 59 - 59: 22/100 22%
Lvl 59 - 60: 22/100 22%
Lvl 60 - 60: 26/100 26%
Lvl 60 - 61: 23/100 23%
Lvl 61 - 61: 18/100 18%
Lvl 61 - 62: 15/100 15%
Lvl 62 - 62: 20/100 20%

Average: 21% crit chance (n=8)!

This post was edited by BWConformity on Feb 28 2019 06:48pm
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