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Dec 16 2018 03:44am
Hey guys,

I am about to build that barb:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=79082753&f=87

I see that 100 % DS & CB is nice but on a daily basis (mix of p1 to p8, trash mobs, bosses, etc.) a dual grief barb should (?) kill faster and is even cheaper since I don't need a Jah rune. I havent tried either of these but when I look at the numbers...
Dual grief: 85+ % DS (highlords, gores, gulli, grief) and 50 % CB with forti. I could even take a Duress instead to get extra 15 % CB (65 % total) and still deal (a bit) more avg dmg since grief avg dmg is 100 above the death ettin axe. All average numbers here since I dunno what I'll get.

So a possible setup could be:
Dual grief
Highlords
LoH
SoE
Gores
Raven
Dual Leech ring
Duress (maybe later Forti)
Gulli face with UM
Merc would be A2 might, later prolly with pride which is a massive boost.
85 % DS and 65 % CB

One thing that would annoy the shit out of me would be my A1 merc circling around somewhere else and not providing fana so I'd swing super slow. with dual grief pb u instantly hit 5 frames.

Any thoughts on that? Anyone who tried both double death vs double grief?


Cheers, Matt


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Dec 16 2018 04:11am
Dual Grief is concerned to be the best.
Grief is more accurate than Death, gives more damage, faster attack without A1 fana merc.

Ass to Damage (assume we have 1200% ED):
Death = 370+370*12 = 4810 or 9620 with 100% DS
Grief = 437+437*12 = 5681 or 10509 with 85% DS

50% CB is enough in regular PvM, don't need Duress.
Duress-->Fortitude

Rest of your gear is fine!
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Dec 16 2018 04:20am
Thank you.

Both RW have other different benefits also like ITD & ETH rune on grief but glacial spike on death which I consider pretty useful. Dunno how that affects gaming.

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Dec 16 2018 04:43am
Its better not to have any cold damage if you want to pop bodies with item find
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Dec 16 2018 06:58pm
Man it depends what areas you want to pvm in the most. If you are going solo through the game and chaosing
in a 1-4 player game, use a duel grief setup.

If you want to do 4-8 players use the duel edeath setup.

Personally I use grief pb and edeath cs. But it can be annoying because you need to use the wsm glitch and when you swap to your secondary weapon slot you need to flash your primary weapon (grief pb). If you’re concerned with losing that frame an alternate Armor choice is treachery. While it doesn’t have the dmg of fort the added dr and curse reduction is helpful. The worst thing for a frenzy barb is being decrepit
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Dec 17 2018 01:55am
And mostly depends if wants to make uber with this baba or not too, so stashed gear should be considered.
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Quote (big_brute69 @ 17 Dec 2018 02:58)
Man it depends what areas you want to pvm in the most. If you are going solo through the game and chaosing
in a 1-4 player game, use a duel grief setup.

If you want to do 4-8 players use the duel edeath setup.

Personally I use grief pb and edeath cs. But it can be annoying because you need to use the wsm glitch and when you swap to your secondary weapon slot you need to flash your primary weapon (grief pb). If you’re concerned with losing that frame an alternate Armor choice is treachery. While it doesn’t have the dmg of fort the added dr and curse reduction is helpful. The worst thing for a frenzy barb is being decrepit


wsm glitch took like 1 second
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Dec 17 2018 02:18am
First, thx all for response

Quote (wupa @ Dec 16 2018 11:43am)
Its better not to have any cold damage if you want to pop bodies with item find


That's a point...


Quote (big_brute69 @ Dec 17 2018 01:58am)
Man it depends what areas you want to pvm in the most. If you are going solo through the game and chaosing
in a 1-4 player game, use a duel grief setup.

If you want to do 4-8 players use the duel edeath setup.

Personally I use grief pb and edeath cs. But it can be annoying because you need to use the wsm glitch and when you swap to your secondary weapon slot you need to flash your primary weapon (grief pb). If you’re concerned with losing that frame an alternate Armor choice is treachery. While it doesn’t have the dmg of fort the added dr and curse reduction is helpful. The worst thing for a frenzy barb is being decrepit


I think in all those p8 games, all melees kill nothing compared to casters.
I totally see the point with decrep.
Grief pb and edeath cs is not an option since I'd be annoyed by the looks (it's like that blue bucket on a cold sorcs head, can't stand it) and the glitch. The first reason is a weird one, I know.
Playing Hc, I dont want to rely on treachery.

Quote (Wisteria @ Dec 17 2018 08:55am)
And mostly depends if wants to make uber with this baba or not too, so stashed gear should be considered.


Yes I want to make ubers. I'd prolly pre buff with treachery, put on duress and 10%CB gloves and do uber with 75% Cb then.
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