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Terps
#1 Oct 7 2018 12:44am
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Quick Rules

• Both sides must post "confirm" or an abbreviation such as "cd" in a betting thread (not a pm) before the game starts for a bet to be official.

• Example of an official bet: https://i.imgur.com/63iqmdU.png -Note how the details are absolutely clear, and both sides confirmed the bet. This is a good bet.

• If you would like, you can use an unofficial sports coliseum mediator. These people volunteer to hold fg from both sides of a bet and pay out after the game concludes. Using a mediator safeguards against getting welched.

• List of mediators:
• Most mediators will not hold fg from welchers (welchers are people who have overbet and/or failed to pay their bets in the past). It is recommended that you avoid betting with welchers altogether. For a list of welchers, click here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/CheetahJsp/PokerStatus/master/Untitled-2.png

• These rules apply only to NFL/MLB/NBA subforums and do not apply anywhere else.

• Betting fg is not supported by d2jsp. Site moderators will not help you if you are welched (unless you sent up-front).

Table of Contents for Comprehensive Rules (clickable links) (maybe rearrange 1st and 2nd sections?)

• Making Bets on JSP
• Betting 101
• The Bettors' List

This post was edited by Terps on Oct 7 2018 12:48am
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Making Bets on JSP

Formatting Normal Bets

• At a minimum, both sides must say "confirm" or an abbreviation such as "cd" somewhere in the thread.

• Ideally, you should be as explicit as possible with your bets. Include the wager, spread, odds, and any other stipulations in your post (first/second half only, in-game bet, no welchers, etc.).

• Ideally, you should quote or restate the bet that you are confirming in your confirmation post. This makes it so that the person you're betting against cannot edit their post, making it look like you are confirming a bet that you did not agree to.

• Ideally, you should quote the other person saying "confirm" or "cd" after they confirm your bet. This makes it so that they cannot easily edit their post after the game starts, making it look like they never confirmed your bet. You could just quote their confirmation and say "good luck" if you already confirmed the bet.

• Common abbreviations: cd, c/d, c'd = confirmed... ac, a/c, a'c = auto-confirm... uf or u/f = up-front

• Bets confirmed via private message are unofficial as far as the bettors list is concerned. All bets must be posted in a thread to be considered official.

Auto-Confirmed Bets

• Sometimes, people will "auto-confirm" or "ac" bets so that they don't have to check the thread before game start. This means that anyone who confirms or cd's their bet is automatically confirmed by the person offering the bet as long as they meet certain requirements (if there are any requirements).

• Take caution when using the auto-confirm method of betting. Without stipulations, this means that anyone can confirm your bet. You may want to limit who can confirm your bets by excluding welchers or new accounts. You also could stipulate that bets are only auto-confirmed if the forum gold is sent from an active+ user, or if the forum gold is sent up-front by other users.

• When using the auto-confirm method of betting, it is very important to set a maximum amount of action that you are willing to take. Because it is not always clear to other bettors how much forum gold you actually own, they may send you more fg than you can bet, causing problems for both parties involved.

• If you make a thread auto-confirming bets and then reach your max in another thread, make sure to mention in your old thread that you are no longer taking action. Otherwise, someone might take you up on the auto-confirmed bet that you forgot about, forcing you to go over your max and overbet. (overbetting is welching)

• When betting with someone who is auto-confirming bets, assume that they will not be online again to manually confirm bets before the game starts. This means that not sending up-front on a bet that says "a/c once sent up-front" will leave the bet unconfirmed, which will disappoint both parties involved. In this situation, it would be courteous to post "sent up front" or post your gold log, just to signal to the OP and everyone else that you have confirmed the bet.

• Another caution with auto-confirmed bets: don't send up-front to just anyone; check to make sure they are trustworthy. This has lost many people fg over the years.

• Suggestion: have a/c only apply to non-welchers. That way you don't have to write it out every time, and it might protect some people from accidentally betting with a welcher/getting welched while AFK.

Timeframe to Confirm Bets

• Generally, all bets must be confirmed by both parties before the game starts. Otherwise, there is no bet. There are exceptions to this rule, however.

• Some bets can take place as a game is in-progress. These bets are tricky, as the score is constantly at risk of changing. It is important to set a timeframe when offering an in-game bet, such as "cd within the next 2 minutes" or "cd before the second half starts," or some such stipulation. Otherwise, it can lead to disagreement if someone confirms the bet later than you would have liked. It is also extremely important to quote everything during in-game bets, as bettors can try to weasel their way out of an in-game bet by editing their confirmed post, which is welching (you cannot edit or retract an in-game bet).

Retracting Bets

• Sometimes, it becomes necessary to retract a bet. This might because you run the risk of overbetting. In any case, it is allowed that users can retract a bet any time before the game starts.

• The exception to the above rule is if a bettor has a "retract = auto-loss" clause in their bet. These bets cannot be retracted by either side without forfeiting the wagered forum gold.

• To retract a bet, you must post "retract" in the actual betting thread before the game starts. Simply pm'ing the person will not suffice. The sooner the better with retracting bets (it allows the other user more time to go look for a new bet). Sending a pm might also be a courteous thing to do.

• Bets that are being mediated can be retracted. However, it is important that you pm the moderator ASAP that the bet has been retracted to avoid accidental payout.

• Although you are usually allowed to retract bets, it is generally considered bad-mannered to do so. Retracting a bet because you found a slightly better spread in another thread is not a good reason to retract—this is bm.

Betting Forum Gold

• You can only bet forum gold that you currently have on your account and which belongs solely to you. You cannot bet forum gold that is due to someone else, and you cannot bet more forum gold than you currently have or own.

• Forthcoming forum gold that you expect to have is not officially yours until it is on your account; you cannot bet this forum gold until it is on your account. What happens if you get welched? You welch the other person.

• The exception to the above is if you sent up-front the forum gold you are betting to the other bettor.

• If you bet more forum gold than you have and own, then this is called overbetting. Overbetting will earn you a welcher tag.

• Sometimes, people will bet other goods vs. forum gold (such as a signature or MtGO tickets). This is a valid bet, even though the person will have to create the signature before it can be sent.

Sending/Receiving Forum Gold

• After the game has concluded, the loser should send their forum gold the next time they log on to jsp. If you are actively using jsp but do not send the winner his/her fg, then you run the risk of being welcher-tagged.

• If a user has not logged on for 24 hours after losing their bet, then they run the risk of being welcher-tagged. It is your responsibility to remember to log back in to jsp and pay out your bets in a timely manner.

• If someone is late in sending you your winnings, do not automatically make a welcher accusation thread. Instead, politely remind them via private message that they made a bet with you. If they do not respond despite logging on, then you can proceed to alert everyone of a possible welch.

Using a mediator

• Sports Coliseum mediators are free to use. These are trusted users who have volunteered to receive forum gold between bettors and pay out once the bet concludes.

• When selecting a mediator, first make sure that the mediator has logged on relatively recently (if you check their profile and notice that they have not logged on in several days, choose a more active mediator).

• Next, inform the person with whom you are betting that you would like to use a mediator. As a courtesy, you could link this person's profile so that the other user doesn't have to go searching for them.

• Next, send your forum gold to the mediator. In the gold log, provide the name of the other bettor, the game, and the spread or odds.

• Next, check to make sure the other person has sent to the mediator before the game has started. Posting gold logs in the thread is a good way to do this.

• If both users send to a mediator before the game starts, then the bet is confirmed (even if the users did not post "confirmed").

• Both users must send to the mediator before the game starts. If one user is late, the bet will be null and the forum gold will be returned.

• Once the game concludes, the mediator will pay out as soon as possible (usually soon after the game ends). Some mediators handle a lot of bets, while others have busy lives outside of jsp, so it might take several hours before you're paid out. Just be patient.

• List of mediators:
• These mediators are only for the NFL/MLB/NBA forums. Other forums likely have their own unofficial mediators.

Handling a Welch

• If you've tried to contact the other user and they have not responded to your pm, or if you see that they have overbet, then contact a sports coliseum mediator and let them know.

• Do not immediately jump to the conclusion that the person with whom you are betting has welched just because they did not pay you immediately after the game has ended. Be patient. Don't make an ass out of yourself by complaining that you haven't been paid out immediately.

• If you have been welched, you may try to contact the site moderators and make a scammer accusation, but this traditionally does not yield any results because betting is not supported by d2jsp's site rules. The exception to this is if the person who welched received your forum gold up-front. In this case, site moderators may lock that person, although in either case, you are not likely to see your forum gold ever again. This is why it is recommended that you use a sports coliseum mediator when betting with unfamiliar people.

Paying Back a Welch

• If you have welched someone, you may pay that person back and move to Welcher Paid-Back status.

• It is your responsibility to find your own welch thread. A good place to start would be contacting SheriffCool, who has a record of recent welches.

• Once you have determined the amount you owe and found the person you owe it to, you can pay back that person and show SheriffCool your gold log. If the person whom you welched is now locked, a freeroll will be held with your stolen forum gold. In either case, once the forum gold is returned, you will be moved to Welcher Paid-Back status.

This post was edited by Terps on Oct 7 2018 12:46am
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#3 Oct 7 2018 12:46am
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Betting 101

Betting terminology

Sports-betting carries with it a lot of jargon, so below I will define some common terms that you are likely to encounter.

• Sportsbook: Bettors refer to what's called a "sportsbook" to provide a baseline on the spreads and moneylines for various sporting games. http://www.vegasinsider.com tends to be the most-referenced website around here for spreads and lines, since their information is an aggregate of many different sportsbooks.

• Spread: Sometimes abbreviated "ATS" for "against the spread," this is the amount of points that are added or subtracted to the final score. After the spread is applied to the final score of a game, the adjusted total determines the winner. This is best illustrated with an example. Let's say the official spread on a game is Cleveland +14 vs. Baltimore: if I were to bet on Cleveland, I would add 14 points to Cleveland's final score and if that total is greater than Baltimore's score, I would win the bet. If I were to bet on Baltimore, the spread would be Baltimore -14; thus, I would subtract 14 points from Baltimore's final score, and if this total is greater than Cleveland's score, I would win the bet. In either case, if Baltimore wins by exactly 14, then the bet is considered a "push" with no winner (both sides are refunded their wager). A lot of times, you will see spreads with .5 points: this is to eliminate the possibility of a push. Overtime always counts toward the final score unless stated otherwise.

• Moneyline: A bet without a spread often uses what's called a moneyline. The moneyline represents the adjusted payout for a wager based on their odds to win. Moneylines are represented in one of two ways: American odds format and decimal odds format.

• American odds format: Uses lines like -110 to represent how much you need to wager in order to win 100. If a line is -110, then you need to risk 110 to win 100. If a line is +120, then you risk 100 to win 120. To calculate your winnings using this format, divide your wager by the absolute value of the odds. So a wager of 548 on the Ravens @ -160 gets you 342.50 units because 548/1.6 = 342.5

• Decimal odds format: Uses decimals to represent the odds for payout. If the odds are 1.35 to 1, then 135 is being risked to win 100. If you are betting the low side of a decimal bet, then you simply multiple by the odds, 1.35, to determine your winnings. If you are betting the high side of a bet, then you divide by the odds, 1.35, to determine your winnings.

• Juice: When using a sportsbook, this is the amount the book/bookie takes from your winnings. On a straight bet, the line is usually -110 for each side. That extra -10 is the juice, or the little extra amount you give up in order to bet with the bookie. When making bets with most users on this forum, no juice is involved.

• Runline: In baseball, the score will be adjusted by 1.5 runs in order to compensate for a steep moneyline. Operates like a spread.

• Hedging: Taking the other side of a bet to guarantee a profit. Usually done in response to a futures bet possibly hitting or in response to a parlay possibly hitting.

• Hook: the extra .5 point to break a tie (very important in football)

• Off the Board or OTB: A game that has been removed for the purposes of betting with a sportsbook.

• No-action or push: A bet with no winner, or a bet in which no money is lost or won.

Types of Bets

• ML: Bets that are made using the moneyline odds for that game.

• ATS: Bets that are made against a point spread.

• Over/Under or O/U: A bet that is made against the total score for a game being Over or Under a certain amount.

• Prop bet: A bet that set a proposition that a certain outcome will or will not be met. Examples: Tom Brady will throw O/U 289.5 yards; Ezekiel Elliott O/U .5 rushing TDs; O/U 1.5 made field goals in a game; etc.

• Futures: A bet that predicts a future outcome, such as a player award (MVP winner) or a conference champion.

• Parlay: A bet that has multiple legs as part of one bet. Unless stated otherwise, all legs of the parlay must hit in order for the bet to cash.

• Teaser: A bet that is similar to a parlay, but the betting lines are inflated, and the payout odds are lower.

• In-game or live-action: Bets that are placed while a game is in-progress.

• Halftime bets: A sportsbook will set a line strictly for the amount of scoring that takes place in the second half. Example: Let's say that the Chicago Bears are playing the Detroit Lions and beating them 14-7 at halftime. Oddsmakers then set the second half spread at -3.5 for the Bears. Now let's assume that you bet on Chicago to cover the spread and the final score is 28-18. The Bears outscored the Lions 14-11 in this game's second half. Unfortunately, Chicago missed covering the -3.5 second half spread and you would lose your wager in this instance.

Snake bets: Going head to head, two users trade-off on selecting games to win. Whoever gets the most correct wins the bet. Picks are usually done in a serpentine order (ABBAABBAAB...)

Blind Odds: A single game is chosen, and unless stated otherwise, no spread is applied. Users submit secret amounts of forum gold to the blind odds host. After the game starts, the amount wagered on each side is revealed. The winning side receives an amount of winnings dependent on how much was wagered on the other side. Example.
Terps
#4 Oct 7 2018 12:47am
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The Bettors' List

• This feature of the sports forums is ran completely by regulars of the community. Betting is not supported by d2jsp's site rules, so this is how we police ourselves.

• Image of list can be found here (this URL will remain static despite occasional updates): https://raw.githubusercontent.com/CheetahJsp/PokerStatus/master/Untitled-2.png

Types of Tags

There are 7 tiers of users organized by the bettors' list:
Trusted: Trusted users are users who have bet here consistently for many, many years without issue. There is no higher bettor tag than the trusted tag.
Mediator: Same as the trusted tag, except these users have volunteered to mediate bets.
Active: Users who have bet here consistently for at least a couple years without issue. Active users are generally trustworthy, but if you ever have concerns, use a mediator.
Unknown: Users who have not used this site consistently enough to have a clear track record. Everyone starts here. Use common sense when betting with someone you do not know and trust.
Welcher Paid-Back: These are users who have either overbet or welched in the past, yet they have paid back their welch to the user who was owed fg.
Welcher: These are people who have overbet and/or owe someone fg. Don't expect payment from a welcher should you choose to bet with them.
Blacklist: Users who have overbet or welched on multiple occasions.

Gaining Rep, Nomination, and Voting Processes

• By making frequent bets, paying out on-time, helping new users, and generally being a frequent poster on the NFL/NBA/MLB forums, users will gain reputation as good-mannered bettors. To recognize people for their reliable betting history, we have created Active and Trusted/Mediator tags.

• To nominate users for Active, for Trusted, or for removal from the Welcher Paid-Back list, we have created a Discord server. (This needs more details about how to join. Also I think it should be easier/simpler to access, but maybe that's just my opinion. Maybe ask the forum again. Idk how many people actually use the Discord server.)

• In this server, anyone can nominate users who deserve consideration for a given tag. Useful information that you should consider adding with your nomination includes betting threads, gold logs, and instances where the user was helpful to someone else. Alternately, you can offer evidence of why someone should not be considered for a given tag by providing similar evidence. You cannot nominate yourself.

• Once every so often (how long between nom. votes?), the Trusted members of the forum will vote on which users should receive an upgraded tag based on the nominations in the Discord server. To be upgraded to an Active tag, the user must receive 50% of the votes. To receive a Trusted tag, the user must receive 80% (iirc?) of the votes. To be removed from WPB, the user must receive 80% (iirc?) of the votes.

• Things that will not help your consideration for Active status: Clamoring for active/trusted, nominating yourself, demanding FG up-front for bets, refusing to use mediators, and generally shady/BM betting practices.

Bettor Script

• BardOfXiix has created the following extension, which works on Firefox and Chrome. It reveals users' betting tags in-thread. To install:

• Install Tampermonkey or another script manager: https://tampermonkey.net/

• Install the script: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/372943-fnr-list
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#5 Oct 7 2018 06:40am
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Handling a welch, send them to me first, I can usually get payment instead of going through scammer accusations.
ianarky
#6 Oct 8 2018 04:57am
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Nice work Terps

1. (maybe rearrange 1st and 2nd sections?)

normally i would say betting 101 belongs before betting on jsp, but i would keep betting on jsp first as most people won't get through the whole guide


2. • Betting fg is not supported by d2jsp. Site moderators will not help you if you are welched (unless you sent up-front).

Are we sure this is still true? They support welches in bnp. i think they might help us now, even though that help will only consist of a scammer tag a few months later. i would cut it, and not say what they will do either way


3. • At a minimum, both sides must say "confirm" or an abbreviation such as "cd" somewhere in the thread.

I know it's sticky territory, but i no longer make someone who sent uf say "cd". In my threads if you say "i'll take 500" and then send me 500 u/f, i just say "cd rcvd". perhaps sending u/f should be considered the equivalent of saying cd. otherwise we kind of create a loophole. one sends u/f and the other says cd is a bet to me. In that same scenario, if you say "i'll take 500" and don't send i will say either "cd when uf" or "cd, please cd back"

4. • Suggestion: have a/c only apply to non-welchers. That way you don't have to write it out every time, and it might protect some people from accidentally betting with a welcher/getting welched while AFK.

I don't mind this addition, but i think some people are ok betting with anyone so this might end up creating a loophole for the welcher if they lose a bet the OP thought was a/c. It's ok to make people be specific in their threads imo.

5. I think Bard said he was redoing the script or this was a draft? do we wait to post this?

This post was edited by Ianarky on Oct 8 2018 04:58am
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#7 Oct 30 2018 01:58am
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Quote (Ianarky @ Oct 8 2018 06:57am)
Nice work Terps

1. (maybe rearrange 1st and 2nd sections?)

normally i would say betting 101 belongs before betting on jsp, but i would keep betting on jsp first as most people won't get through the whole guide


2. • Betting fg is not supported by d2jsp. Site moderators will not help you if you are welched (unless you sent up-front).

Are we sure this is still true? They support welches in bnp. i think they might help us now, even though that help will only consist of a scammer tag a few months later. i would cut it, and not say what they will do either way


3. • At a minimum, both sides must say "confirm" or an abbreviation such as "cd" somewhere in the thread.

I know it's sticky territory, but i no longer make someone who sent uf say "cd". In my threads if you say "i'll take 500" and then send me 500 u/f, i just say "cd rcvd". perhaps sending u/f should be considered the equivalent of saying cd. otherwise we kind of create a loophole. one sends u/f and the other says cd is a bet to me. In that same scenario, if you say "i'll take 500" and don't send i will say either "cd when uf" or "cd, please cd back"

4. • Suggestion: have a/c only apply to non-welchers. That way you don't have to write it out every time, and it might protect some people from accidentally betting with a welcher/getting welched while AFK.

I don't mind this addition, but i think some people are ok betting with anyone so this might end up creating a loophole for the welcher if they lose a bet the OP thought was a/c. It's ok to make people be specific in their threads imo.

5. I think Bard said he was redoing the script or this was a draft? do we wait to post this?

1. Yeah, I'll probably keep order the same

2. I can just hedge my phrasing. Like "might not help you" or some such.

3. That's something that should be clarified by whoever makes these rules. I think the recipient should definitely always say cd somewhere at some point (either before or after gold is sent). I agree that the person sending fg shouldn't have to cd as long as the other guy cd'd, but I could also foresee a situation where someone tries to weasel out, given the ambivalence of the current rules.

4. Yeah, I'll just drop that suggestion. Overcomplicates things. Maybe someone will have to learn the hard way.

5. I think the script is good to go.

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So I guess my only questions before publishing this are:

1) does the person sending u/f need to say confirmed

2) how often is the list voted on

3) what is the threshold percentage of votes for active and trusted

4) Someone needs to compose more detailed instructions about how to nominate people for active+ on Discord. I don't possess this information.

I made a Nomination thread guild topic: https://forums.d2jsp.org/guild.php?t=3575

I can delete spam and block spammers, so it should be a clean list. Even if the Discord server is the one everyone wants to use, maybe someone could copy/paste or simply link the nominations from this guild topic to Discord.
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Note: Add Cheesehead to list of meds
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#9 Nov 7 2018 02:25am
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Quick Rules

• Both sides must post "confirm" or an abbreviation such as "cd" in a betting thread (not a pm) before the game starts for a bet to be official.

• Example of an official bet: https://i.imgur.com/63iqmdU.png -Note how the details are absolutely clear, and both sides confirmed the bet. This is a good bet.

• If you would like, you can use an unofficial sports coliseum mediator. These people volunteer to hold fg from both sides of a bet and pay out after the game concludes. Using a mediator safeguards against getting welched.

• List of mediators:
• Most mediators will not hold fg from welchers (welchers are people who have overbet and/or failed to pay their bets in the past). It is recommended that you avoid betting with welchers altogether. For a list of welchers, click here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/CheetahJsp/PokerStatus/master/Untitled-2.png

• These rules apply only to NFL/MLB/NBA subforums and do not apply anywhere else.

• Betting fg is not supported by d2jsp. Site moderators may not help you if you are welched, though some have received help in the past (they're inconsistent).

Table of Contents for Comprehensive Rules (clickable links)[/COLOR]

• Making Bets on JSP
• Betting 101
• The Bettors' List

This post was edited by Terps on Nov 7 2018 02:55am
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#10 Nov 7 2018 02:26am
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Making Bets on JSP

Formatting Normal Bets

• At a minimum, both sides must say "confirm" or an abbreviation such as "cd" somewhere in the thread.

• Ideally, you should be as explicit as possible with your bets. Include the wager, spread, odds, and any other stipulations in your post (first/second half only, in-game bet, no welchers, etc.).

• Ideally, you should quote or restate the bet that you are confirming in your confirmation post. This makes it so that the person you're betting against cannot edit their post, making it look like you are confirming a bet that you did not agree to.

• Ideally, you should quote the other person saying "confirm" or "cd" after they confirm your bet. This makes it so that they cannot easily edit their post after the game starts, making it look like they never confirmed your bet. You could just quote their confirmation and say "good luck" if you already confirmed the bet.

• Common abbreviations: cd, c/d, c'd = confirmed... ac, a/c, a'c = auto-confirm... uf or u/f = up-front

• Bets confirmed via private message are unofficial as far as the bettors list is concerned. All bets must be posted in a thread to be considered official.

Auto-Confirmed Bets

• Sometimes, people will "auto-confirm" or "ac" bets so that they don't have to check the thread before game start. This means that anyone who confirms or cd's their bet is automatically confirmed by the person offering the bet as long as they meet certain requirements (if there are any requirements).

• The only exception to the rule requiring both sides to state "confirmed/cd" is if someone auto-confirms up-frontted fg, in which case the person sending fg does not need to confirm in thread. However, you should at least post in the thread to let everyone else know that you made a bet (that way other bettors aren't left assuming the person has more fg to bet with when they are actually maxed).

• Take caution when using the auto-confirm method of betting. Without stipulations, this means that anyone can confirm your bet. You may want to limit who can confirm your bets by excluding welchers or unknown accounts. You also could stipulate that bets are only auto-confirmed if the forum gold is sent from an active+ user, or if the forum gold is sent up-front.

• When using the auto-confirm method of betting, it is very important to set a maximum amount of action that you are willing to take. Because it is not always clear to other bettors how much forum gold you actually own, they may send you more fg than you can bet, causing problems for both parties involved.

• If you make a thread auto-confirming bets and then reach your max in another thread, make sure to mention in your old thread that you are no longer taking action. Otherwise, someone might take you up on the auto-confirmed bet that you forgot about, forcing you to go over your max and overbet. (overbetting is welching)

• When betting with someone who is auto-confirming bets, assume that they will not be online again to manually confirm bets before the game starts. This means that not sending up-front on a bet that says "a/c once sent up-front" will leave the bet unconfirmed, which will disappoint both parties involved. In this situation, it would be courteous to post "sent up front" or post your gold log, just to signal to the OP and everyone else that you have confirmed the bet.

• Another caution with auto-confirmed bets: don't send up-front to just anyone; check to make sure they are trustworthy. This has lost many people fg over the years.

Timeframe to Confirm Bets

• Generally, all bets must be confirmed by both parties before the game starts. Otherwise, there is no bet. There are exceptions to this rule, however.

• Some bets can take place as a game is in-progress. These bets are tricky, as the score is constantly at risk of changing. It is important to set a timeframe when offering an in-game bet, such as "cd within the next 2 minutes" or "cd before the second half starts," or some such stipulation. Otherwise, it can lead to disagreement if someone confirms the bet later than you would have liked. It is also extremely important to quote everything during in-game bets, as bettors can try to weasel their way out of an in-game bet by editing their confirmed post, which is welching (you cannot edit or retract an in-game bet).

Retracting Bets

• Sometimes, it becomes necessary to retract a bet. This might because you run the risk of overbetting. In any case, it is allowed that users can retract a bet any time before the game starts.

• The exception to the above rule is if a bettor has a "retract = auto-loss" clause in their bet. These bets cannot be retracted by either side without forfeiting the wagered forum gold.

• To retract a bet, you must post "retract" in the actual betting thread before the game starts. Simply pm'ing the person will not suffice. The sooner the better with retracting bets (it allows the other user more time to go look for a new bet). Sending a pm might also be a courteous thing to do.

• Bets that are being mediated can be retracted. However, it is important that you pm the moderator ASAP that the bet has been retracted to avoid accidental payout.

• Although you are usually allowed to retract bets, it is generally considered bad-mannered to do so. Retracting a bet because you found a slightly better spread in another thread is not a good reason to retract—this is bm.

Betting Forum Gold

• You can only bet forum gold that you currently have on your account and which belongs solely to you. You cannot bet forum gold that is due to someone else, and you cannot bet more forum gold than you currently have or own.

• Forthcoming forum gold that you expect to have is not officially yours until it is on your account; you cannot bet this forum gold until it is on your account. What happens if you get welched? You welch the other person.

• The exception to the above is if you sent up-front the forum gold that you are betting to the other bettor. The other bettor essentially has your fg up-front.

• If you bet more forum gold than you have and own, then this is called overbetting. Overbetting will earn you a welcher tag.

• Sometimes, people will bet other goods vs. forum gold (such as a signature or MtGO tickets). This is a valid bet, even though the person will have to create the signature before it can be sent.

Sending/Receiving Forum Gold

• After the game has concluded, the loser should send their forum gold the next time they log on to jsp. If you are actively using jsp but do not send the winner his/her fg, then you run the risk of being welcher-tagged.

• If a user has not logged on for 24 hours after losing their bet, then they run the risk of being welcher-tagged. It is your responsibility to remember to log back in to jsp and pay out your bets in a timely manner.

• If someone is late in sending you your winnings, do not automatically make a welcher accusation thread. Instead, politely remind them via private message that they made a bet with you. If they do not respond despite logging on, then you can proceed to alert everyone of a possible welch.

Using a mediator

• Sports Coliseum mediators are free to use. These are trusted users who have volunteered to receive forum gold between bettors and pay out once the bet concludes.

• When selecting a mediator, first make sure that the mediator has logged on relatively recently (if you check their profile and notice that they have not logged on in several days, choose a more active mediator).

• Next, inform the person with whom you are betting that you would like to use a mediator. As a courtesy, you could link this person's profile so that the other user doesn't have to go searching for them.

• Next, send your forum gold to the mediator. In the gold log, provide the name of the other bettor, the game, and the spread or odds.

• Next, check to make sure the other person has sent to the mediator before the game has started. Posting gold logs in the thread is a good way to do this.

• If both users send to a mediator before the game starts, then the bet is confirmed (even if the users did not post "confirmed").

• Both users must send to the mediator before the game starts. If one user is late, the bet will be null and the forum gold will be returned.

• Once the game concludes, the mediator will pay out as soon as possible (usually soon after the game ends). Some mediators handle a lot of bets, while others have busy lives outside of jsp, so it might take several hours before you're paid out. Just be patient.

• List of mediators:
• These mediators are only for the NFL/MLB/NBA forums. Other forums likely have their own unofficial mediators.

Handling a Welch

• If you've tried to contact the other user and they have not responded to your pm, or if you see that they have overbet, then contact a sports coliseum mediator and let them know. SheriffCool is a good person to contact if you think you've been welched.

• Do not immediately jump to the conclusion that the person with whom you are betting has welched just because they did not pay you immediately after the game has ended. Be patient. Don't make an ass out of yourself by complaining that you haven't been paid out immediately.

• If you have been welched, you may try to contact the site moderators and make a scammer accusation, but this traditionally does not yield any results because betting is not supported by d2jsp's site rules. The exception to this is if the person who welched received your forum gold up-front. In this case, site moderators may lock that person, although in either case, you are not likely to see your forum gold ever again. This is why it is recommended that you use a sports coliseum mediator when betting with unfamiliar people.

Paying Back a Welch

• If you have welched someone, you may pay that person back and move to Welcher Paid-Back status. This is unless you have already welched or overbet in the past, in which case you are permanently blacklisted.

• It is your responsibility to find your own welch thread. A good place to start would be contacting SheriffCool, who has a record of recent welches.

• Once you have determined the amount you owe and found the person you owe it to, you can pay back that person and show SheriffCool your gold log. If the person whom you welched is now locked, a freeroll will be held with your stolen forum gold. In either case, once the forum gold is returned, you will be moved to Welcher Paid-Back status.

This post was edited by Terps on Nov 7 2018 02:41am
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