Stopped reading here and voted no

Yes several times... it can be tough high level but still not about the guaranteed drops.

This would allow the elite players to farm for MASSIVE rewards while the low players would ultimately be unchanged as they would be unable to go deep enough into the TDs to really benefit from the change.

If you want good drops run a few solo explore climbs When I solo I start exploring around lvl 35-45 and have found at least one decent item per solo climb since the new update went live.

I think drops are fine how they are. There is no need for something that guarantees drops. That would ruin the game and make people only do that.

Exploring all day just for items and not caring about the "ladder" in ladder slasher is not something that SHOULD be rewarded.

Giant monsters similar to well monsters would be cool if there were more quests or exploring mechanisms involved with them. It would be really cool to have more single target boss type monsters.

This post was edited by Bob888 on Aug 14 2018 11:19am

i like the idea of a boss, but voted no cause the rest.

Im also down for some kind of Boss or something, but I would rather see something more unique that can only be dropped from those, and not items with EE
I'd rather see something completly new that only has a small %chance of actually dropping (an item that gives item slots = for fish/comfreys etc) or something different that doesnt exist today

But in that case maps shouldnt drop, or it should be kept to some kind of objective or something.

No... plain & simple.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Aug 14 2018 02:10pm

I like this idea better than mine.



If you think going 5 trapdoors down at 71 and fighting a boss stronger than 7 shamans after clearing a full maze is going to be easy for any group in this game you would be pretty surprised at how close to impossible it is, and the item that drops could be anything, a t8 robe, a t7 fire charm, you name it.
Lets say you got a perfect 100 ee base roll (the roll would be weighted towards the bottom like all ee rolls in this game), each trapdoor is going to be an extra 20 ee, so if you managed to even find 5 trapdoors and then spend hours clearing a monster sized maze you get a guaranteed 200 ee item sure (It can still be a junk base), but you have to beat the boss first and that boss is going to be about as strong as throwing a 55 item in the well at level 1.
So its probably an entire days worth of work and then the entire party can still rip.

This is just a base idea though it can be modified however it needs to be balanced.
I do think having a way to grind towards better items should be included somewhere in the game so new players actually have a market to enter.
Right now the iso threads outnumber selling threads 2 to 1.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Aug 14 2018 04:11pm

Sorry Matt, I think Paul buffed the drop rates enough lately. As players, sure we all want to be the lucky one to find that awesome 200+ ee, or 50+ stat, or item with a combo of crazy stats... but once we think of guaranteeing a good property like EE will roll at all, much less guaranteeing it will be > a given number, then it's gonna become common, and no one will be the lucky one. Even guaranteeing that the item that drops from this super boss has 1 or more EE is too overpowered IMO. Giving it a high difficulty and seeing where the random rolls wind up is not a problem IMO, but that is already in the game and much easier to spawn than what you're describing (Four Corners EPs). I want to be able to fight strong challenges for a better chance at good rewards, but there needs to be a balance between the rewards for that and other playstyles. When I killed the lvl 136 four corners EP down 1 trapdoor (so lvl 137 - 141), it took me about 2 hours to kill it... Drop was a lvl 10 spear and a lvl 45 lightning. Sure, that EP was triple-hitting me for 4-8k damage, each hit, so I was disappointed ofc... but if the drop was guaranteed to be epic, I'd be farming that all day... and I don't think that's right...

Makes sense, what if we scrap the ee idea but still keep 20% to stats on trapdoors, so if you put in the work AND get a lucky roll you are rewarded?

I'm not exactly sure how Paul's MD currently affects item quality and item stat quality tbh. I know it can increase them, but in order to figure out whether your trapdoor bonuses would be fair, or imba, I'd kind of have to know that. But in the end, I would say, something like "Item stat quality on super evil presence loot increased by up to 10% per trapdoor" could be interesting without creating a major advantage for people willing to waste half a day finding a 6 glancing blow, 5 parry lvl 30 charm down 7 trapdoors.

Before Paul made all these updates, I was a major proponent of Paul increasing something about the strength of monsters in trapdoors to provide slightly better chances at loot by increasing the difficulty by a lot (I believe Paul proposed monster stats AND lvl per trapdoor as a compromise between the overpowered monster difficulty bonus, and the pure-level increase that was in many cases detrimental to loot and prof). He couldn't move forward with that change though since there was too much pushback thinking that even increasing monster stats would give an unfair advantage to those with the best gear. For your suggestion to work, I think you need to make sure it's clear that it would not produce a huge advantage in potential for loot for those with the best gear. In the end I think this should be scaled to something that produces (on average) worse loot per time than normal exploring, but with maybe a small puncher's chance at rolling something even better than normal with very good luck, if the super boss can be defeated

This post was edited by BWConformity on Aug 14 2018 04:51pm