One of the pro-immigration argument i see is that we don't procreate enough, with the result that we are forced to welcome people from other countries, who gives much more importance to procreation in there life than us; religious people for easy exemple.

It seems that population growth is necessary, but i can't find why exactly, there is both advantages and inconvenient to population growth, but how hell it is necessary ?

please don't post link to heavy studies. In 3-4 lines; can you explain, in a way most non-intellectual political people will have a chance to understand, why population growth is necessary ?

This post was edited by PKSubban on Aug 13 2018 12:03pm

Bottom line is most Western countries do not need immigrants, especially not those from third world countries who do not value our culture or customs.

this mentality is based on the false idea of a static demand for unskilled manual labor. this is silly, we're replacing manual labor, and therefore the need for immigrants, at a breakneck pace.

I find a homogenized culture to be superior to an ivory tower culture that historically kept out immigrants, even with the violence and strife they have in higher numbers. But the idea that we need unskilled labor is a false one, the idea that there is an underbelly of manual laborers that we are missing and approaching a waterfall if we don't get more of them is false.

Population growth is necessary because we're living longer. Increased economic output is required to pay for the increasing burden of pensions and healthcare for the elderly. When life expectancy hits a brick wall in the West there will be less of an argument for it.

This post was edited by dro94 on Aug 13 2018 11:51am

kids from population growth will live even longer, so the problem about elder's care will exponentially increase in long term if you try to fix it with more population ?

MORE population is not good for ANY reason.

i would have thought a man who struggles to get laid as much as you would welcome more humans to earth.

As of today, 18 weeks without ciggs.

Civilizations below replacement rates collapse. When you have children you have a stake in the future and in making the future a good place. People without children are basically hedonists who disconnect themselves from a 1.4 billion year old tradition and the idea that you could be making the future worse doesn't even occur to them.

Immigration only causes evil.

Just look what the white immigrants to the Americas did to this land in just a few hundred years. Almost completely wiped the people who have a historical claim to this land off the face of the planet. If whites let other immigrants keep coming here, they'll face the same sort of near extinction event as Amerindians.