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Jul 12 2018 10:17pm
Hey all!

So I’m tezla and I started running at the ladder reset. It has been blast. I’ve met many cool people and also played with my dad ( 78) and beer cans (80).

I’ve been helped by luciano ( thanks for the belt) and met others too. If I find stuff I give to help whoever I can.

The bots don’t bother me and I try to be a team player.

Only two people have not been hospitable: majic and his clan, and fire sorc.

So , thanks to all others for a great ladder so far! I wish the zon could kill in cs as good as cows, but it is what it is. I’ll be around and playing so let’s have fun!

Tezla
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Jul 12 2018 11:39pm
amazons in classic, not the best, but definitely fuckin' cool!

are you doing a bow-thing or a java-thing?
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Jul 13 2018 12:10am
I do javazon. Max lf, cs, and synergies.
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Jul 13 2018 07:08am
Javazon not underpowered...

Did you max pierce?
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Jul 13 2018 10:35am
I’ve got pierce at 75%. I’ve tried to max other synergies for more damage on charged strike. Do you think maxing Pierce is better?
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Jul 13 2018 02:50pm
i prefer doing like 5-10 points into pierce after lf and cs are maxed. then go for synergies.
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Jul 13 2018 03:05pm
Quote (vonhizzle @ 13 Jul 2018 15:08)
Javazon not underpowered...

Did you max pierce?


are you kidding, have you ever played a classic javazon in a p8 chaos sanctuary game? it's terrible. even with a -150 conviction your damage is mediocre.
of course i am comparing the damage with that of hammerdins and blizzard sorces, but let's be real, those are pretty much the only viable characters for classic p8 games. the rest is just support, or just shit.


that said, i think javazon is the shit, i had a 91 classic HC one a bunch of ladders ago. honestly it's even bad for nightmare p8 cows, but it's fun as hell regardless.
as for Pierce, with +skill from gear and perhaps BC, imo you want to hit at least slvl 9 for 69% chance. after that, diminishing returns hit hard and every point adds only 2, 1 or 0 percent, so imo get to 9 and then go for more lightning damage. more points in pierce is good, though, so you might want to put more in at a later time.

This post was edited by Fruit on Jul 13 2018 03:10pm
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Ty for the information.
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Jul 13 2018 10:48pm
You want max pierce. There is no diminishing returns, in fact each point is worth more than the previous.

lvl 16 pierce gives 82% which is the level where "diminishing returns" kick in. let's check the odds to get x number of pierces:

1 = 82%
2 = 67% (.82 x .82)
3 = 55% (.82 x .82 x .82)
4 = 45% (.82 x .82 x .82 x .82)
5 = 37% (.82 x .82 x .82 x .82 x .82)

max pierce gives 89% or 90% with tarn and bo.

1 = 90%
2 = 81% (.90 x .90)
3 = 73% (.90 x .90 x .90)
4 = 66% (.90 x .90 x .90 x .90)
5 = 59% (.90 x .90 x .90 x .90 x .90)

you can see that max pierce gives the same chance to get 4 pierces as lvl 16 pierce does for only 2 pierces

javazon damage comes from pierce you want to max it, the difference is even worse if you go for 69% like was suggested earlier.

LF has a 1% damage synergy that doesn't compare to the damage increase from maxing pierce

and yes, javazon kills just as fast if not faster than blizz and hdin if it is built correctly (against non light immune ofc)

This post was edited by vonhizzle on Jul 13 2018 10:48pm
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Jul 14 2018 01:27am
Great post!

I’ll level up. I’ve got two resets and will go all in in lf with pierce.

Ty,

Tez
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