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dude_927
#1 Jun 14 2018 09:51am
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The max DMG on these clubs are very inconsistent, will a bunch of str change anything or will the 55 always be a few less DMG than the 50?
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Quote (dude_927 @ Jun 14 2018 11:51am)
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The max DMG on these clubs are very inconsistent, will a bunch of str change anything or will the 55 always be a few less DMG than the 50?


Strength will affect both clubs equally. So yea the 50 will likely always be a few dmg higher.

Hope you didn’t pay much on the 55
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#3 Jun 14 2018 11:34am
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Quote (hasteful @ Jun 14 2018 12:05pm)
Strength will affect both clubs equally. So yea the 50 will likely always be a few dmg higher.

Hope you didn’t pay much on the 55


Nah it was like 20fg, worth it just to test. That's super weird that's the 50 is is so tight on conversion but the lower tiers are like 30ee+ to be equal
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#4 Jun 14 2018 03:10pm
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the dmg of the 2 clubs is pretty similar. the only thing that will make the 55 stronger than the 50 is profs. at 17 profs, the dmg of the clubs will be the same, at a higher prof lvl the 55 club will be stronger
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#5 Jun 14 2018 03:18pm
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Quote (ahs_darkhunter @ Jun 14 2018 04:10pm)
the dmg of the 2 clubs is pretty similar. the only thing that will make the 55 stronger than the 50 is profs. at 17 profs, the dmg of the clubs will be the same, at a higher prof lvl the 55 club will be stronger


Interesting, does which one I use have any effect in gaining prof?
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#6 Jun 14 2018 03:20pm
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Quote (dude_927 @ 14 Jun 2018 22:18)
Interesting, does which one I use have any effect in gaining prof?


Both will grand the same profs. The 55 is a higher tier and if you add a percentage to a higher tier, the absolute dmg gain will be higher.
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#7 Jun 15 2018 02:20am
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Quote (ahs_darkhunter @ Jun 15 2018 10:10am)
the dmg of the 2 clubs is pretty similar. the only thing that will make the 55 stronger than the 50 is profs. at 17 profs, the dmg of the clubs will be the same, at a higher prof lvl the 55 club will be stronger


This is something that I would like proven. Rank 1 = 1%, each rank increases by 1%. Since both items are clubs, they will increase equally. I recall that the max is 20% above maximum enhanced effect on the weapon, e.g. 60% maximum EE for TierIII, so, you can gain another 20% maximum with Rank 20, anything above Rank 20 is nullified.

@ Dude... the max only increased by +2 (based on the character that is holding it). I would still use the level 55 because of the 1% Crit Flux = 1% chance to negate an enemy from doing a critical strike against your character... it is nothing much, but it could help... it also has +x mana per kill (if I remember correctly), so if you are using healing, this could also be helpful... Note: this is all dependent on your gameplay and what you want to do.
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#8 Jun 15 2018 05:04am
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Quote (izParagonzi @ 15 Jun 2018 09:20)
This is something that I would like proven. Rank 1 = 1%, each rank increases by 1%. Since both items are clubs, they will increase equally. I recall that the max is 20% above maximum enhanced effect on the weapon, e.g. 60% maximum EE for TierIII, so, you can gain another 20% maximum with Rank 20, anything above Rank 20 is nullified.

@ Dude... the max only increased by +2 (based on the character that is holding it). I would still use the level 55 because of the 1% Crit Flux = 1% chance to negate an enemy from doing a critical strike against your character... it is nothing much, but it could help... it also has +x mana per kill (if I remember correctly), so if you are using healing, this could also be helpful... Note: this is all dependent on your gameplay and what you want to do.


Oh thats just math. the percentage of the increasement with profs is always the same, but a higher tier will force a higher total number. i can give an easy example.

take a tier5 weapon/charm with 100ee. this will be equal to a tier10 weapon/charm with zero ee. (5*2,0 = 10)

if you add 10 profs you will end up at 110ee for tier5 and 10ee for tier10.
5*2,1 = 10,5

but

10*1,1 = 11

so without profs the 2 weapons/charms had the same dmg, but with the profs the higher tier is boosted more.

This post was edited by ahs_darkhunter on Jun 15 2018 05:05am
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#9 Jun 16 2018 03:38pm
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Quote (ahs_darkhunter @ Jun 16 2018 12:04am)
Oh thats just math. the percentage of the increasement with profs is always the same, but a higher tier will force a higher total number. i can give an easy example.

take a tier5 weapon/charm with 100ee. this will be equal to a tier10 weapon/charm with zero ee. (5*2,0 = 10)

if you add 10 profs you will end up at 110ee for tier5 and 10ee for tier10.
5*2,1 = 10,5

but

10*1,1 = 11

so without profs the 2 weapons/charms had the same dmg, but with the profs the higher tier is boosted more.


You are referring to the weapons base damage, but it doesn't give a definitive breakdown like you stated. But, I am not argue-ing that you are wrong.
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#10 Jun 16 2018 03:43pm
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Well the dmg is calculated with 2 factors that increase the base dmg. one coming from the ee, the other one coming from the stats. and yeah like you said, if the base dmg is higher, the absolute dmg boost is higher with the same percent like a lower tier
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