I thought the problem with gambling is that you should have a level 93 character at least?

Also, it takes hundreds of millions of gold to find anything remotely worthwhile.

Lets say you gamble a rare amulet, you are happy.

Now if you want a 100% chance to even have a chance for 10/10 amulet you need to be level 95.

With character level 95 you have 9/9 cases in which you get the full chance for a 10/10 amulet.

With character level 93 you have 7/9 cases in which you get the full chance for a 10/10 amulet.

If you are gambling for circlets exclusively, then level 92 would be enough even because of the hidden affix bonus that tiaras get of at least +3.

Making the calculation for worst case: ilvl = clvl - 5 (gambling chance) + 3 (hidden bonus) = 90 (which is enough for the 10/10 affixes).

For amulets though you would end up having an amulet with ilvl of 88 or 89 in some cases, so you dont even have a chance for the 10/10 affixes.

This post was edited by Timophinchen on May 20 2018 06:21am

To put it simply - if you're making a gf barb for trav - I would recommend running around 250-350mf on it as well since their item drop rate is very high anyway.

On an average trav run, you can expect to get around 0.7 unique/set items, 2 rares and 10 or so magic items in a p8 game

Sorry for being slightly OT, but is it worthwhile to gamble for rings? When gambling it seems like I get a much higher frequency of quality ammys (+2 skills / all res / other useful mods) vs useful rings (10fcr / str / life / res or str / dex / life / res).

I guess I'm just wondering if you can gamble for good rings with a worthwhile frequency or if you can only make them via crafting.

Rings have a larger affix pool, so you get alot of crap.

But I still prefer rings over any else. Second place circlets, and thirdly amulets. Amulet doesn't have near the potential of rings; most high-end characters will use 15-20fcr crafted amus. With a few exceptions. Plus, each char needs 2x rings; which is part of the reason why ring trading has always been very interesting. Everyone needs rings! Another upside is that ring cost 35k with -30% vendor, whereas amulet cost 44,1k.Circlets are nice, but cost 100k a pop. so per 1 rare circlet, you'll get almost 3x rare rings.

Rings also can be great in a very large amount of ways. Like 10fcr 20str 40life 90mana 11@res 41single, or 9min 120ar 15dex 40life 90mana 11@res, or 120ar 20str 15dex 40life 90mana (+1add), 10fcr 20str 9repl 90mana 11@res 41single, 10fcr 40life 9repl 90mana 11@ 41single, 10fcr 20str 15dex 90mana 11@res 41single, etc (Not claiming you gonna gamble anything like that anytime soon tho :P). Amulets are abit more generic. you want +2/10fcr, and then the rest. Aside from occasional stat amu that almost no-one really uses (+2/30str/20dex/60life/res or mana etc), and some char tabs are simply useless with +2/10fcr, like assassins.

I'm guessing if you are into LLD/LLD trading, amulets are nice though. But then there's likely an "ideal clvl" to be gambling amulets at (Search and you shall find; I can't tell you from top of my head).

This post was edited by SpAz. on May 20 2018 08:46am

Thanks for quality posts!

Cool thank you for the explanation.

This post was edited by TheOmnipotent on May 20 2018 01:08pm

Thanks for all the input guys!
Really appreciated

gold find is way better than mfing

uniques typical do not hold value for shit. (only a handful or perfects and eths have any REAL value, and most of them are elites that very rarely drop)(most uniques suck compared to runewords)

mfing is also very dependent on # of players in game. solo mfing SUCKS because of how infrequent shit drops

a lot of the desirable items in diablo 2 dont even care about mf at all.. charm/bases/runes are not effected by mf at all.

most if not all of the best rings/circlets (nowdays) come from gambling.

other stuff can be gambled. claws are also popular, ive heard people gamble for jmods as well.. (gloves/boots can also be gambled)

speaking of jmods.. rerolling items/charm is also another great way to get godly stuff.. oh and did i mention gems dont care about mf at all. and trav happens to be a great spot to find flawless gems.

if you are stricktly a solo player id say gold finding is a much better use of your time. if you have access to a bot or a team or can reliably get full or close to full games. then mfing is likely going to be better

not to mention.. just because you are gfing.. doesnt mean you wont just happen to find uniques anyway. and ive heard people have even gambled soj's

oh and if crafting is your thing.. where do you think high ilvl items that are used for crafting amulets/rings come from.. gambling.. same with gloves/belts/boots etc


This post was edited by d2isboring on May 20 2018 03:23pm

Damn, i think you just inspired me to make a GF Barb right off the bat, in the new upcoming ladder, HC. Although it is tedious to gamble for so many times, it does yield a decent amount of rares for the time spent. And you make good points on gems, which are in high demand and give decent FG early in a ladder. That goes for mid runes too. Even NM Council Members gives good gold for the relative safe farming. A big point is that i play solo 99% of the time.

Normal Council Members, they do drop gold, and may drop some odd set and uniques, and also does give some experience and gold, but it is better to advance to NM as soon as possible.

Thanks for that motivational and passionate post ^^ May be the first season i actually ditch the usual Bowzon for a GF Barb instead. I mean, GF items can be stacked along the way. Even GF Charms of all kinds do drop quite regularly along the way.

Not to mention, gold can be sold for decent FG early ladder too.

This post was edited by Taurean on May 20 2018 07:20pm