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Feb 20 2018 12:00pm
Quote (gel87 @ 20 Feb 2018 18:33)
Oki, im now done with excel sheet(gonna complement with trap calculations and some other shit later to make a complete sheet who don't need to mf info from other calculators etc for assa)

Enemy: Paladin: 50% dr, 90fr, 75pr, 4 direct dr, 8 magic abs, 15k def, level 99, 4900 life, 75% block.

Assa: level 99, 12,5 attacks pr sec on wirl, 102fcr, 48fhr, precast venom level 57 with bramble etc, and precast level 5x fade etc (120*2 ar rings, 197str, 134dex, 10 * 322s, perf chaos suawaya, gores upped 213, EOD Great Hauberk, trangs, valk 08, chaos + rare or whatever + 5/5 demon limb).

Dmg(all is chaos + rare average, cloak of shadows not included)

Eth Self Feral Claw: 272ED, 15min, 40ias, Fools, 2soc(BER + LO).:
Average HIT chance: 46,56
Average both claws Physical dmg after pvp and DR% penalty: 345(Real Chance to deal double dmg included as % add)
Average Fire dmg after pvp and res penalty: 32
Average Poison dmg after pvp and res penalty: 161
Average Magic after penatly: 49
AVG Sum dmg after penalty both claws: 587 (life taken each, OW and Crushing blow not counted)
Damage Per Second: (6,25 * 587) = 3668
After hit chance penalty: 1708
After 75% block penatly: 427
After 4 direct dr: 423 Life taken pr. sec + OW + Crushing blow.


Eth cruel + master mods, self rep 436ED/40/240ar/15min War Fist BERLO:
AVG HIT chance: 37,8
AVG both claws Physical dmg and after pvp and DR% penalty: 460(Real Chance to deal double dmg included as % add)
AVG fire dmg after pvp and res penatly: 32
AVG Poison dmg after pvp and res penalty: 161
AVG Sum dmg after penalty both claws: 702 (life taken each, OW and Crushing blow not counted)
Damage Per Second: (6,25 * 702) = 4390
After Hit Chance: 1659
After Block: 414,8
After Direct DR: 410 Life taken pr. sec + OW + Crushing blow


The AVG dmg added from LO rune on feral takes
The AVG dmg added from LO rune on eth cruel war fist takes 219 each hit.

Crushing blow hit on cruel eth war fist takes on 4900 lifed/50% DR char(again all is avg):
Hit 1 = 4900/10 = 490/2 = 245
Hit 2 = 4900-245-((3673/6)/2)-161-16 = 4417/10 = 441,7/2 = 220ish
Hit 3 = 4417-220-306-161-16 = 3714/10 = 371,4/2 = 185ish
So basicly on Hit 3 the LO rune is better than the BER rune vs this char when using such high dmg claw...


I'd go Um Lo more than Ber. OW bypasses %DR and keeps dealing damage over 8 seconds.
I'd go Lo over Ber since Ber it's actually useful vs high life characters, basically Barbs only. Also it's effectiveness decreases as opponent life decreases too.

Are you playing 102% Fcr only or also considering 65% Fcr setup?

I would trade Fcr for some extra Dmg/Ar since Palading will be the one chasing/tanking you.
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Feb 20 2018 12:05pm
Ofc the difference between War Fist and Feral will change a lot by block and DR %.

So i make a new calc for nec ;) 19% block/36% dr/3k def. (calculations was done with level 92 assa) (ow, bladeshield, crushing blow not counted in calc)
A Nice eth fool's feral(BER LO) deal: 1800 life taken after all penatly pr. sec.
A Nice ETH cruel War Fist deal: 2097 life taken after all penalty pr. sec.

However the golem will slow ur trap laying speed down to zero, and 2+ of the hits will hit golem. And nomather which dmg ur claw here deal, your supposed to stunlock him, then wirl him and hes dead fast even with crap claw....

Quote (Darkal @ Feb 20 2018 06:00pm)
I'd go Um Lo more than Ber. OW bypasses %DR and keeps dealing damage over 8 seconds.
I'd go Lo over Ber since Ber it's actually useful vs high life characters, basically Barbs only. Also it's effectiveness decreases as opponent life decreases too.

Are you playing 102% Fcr only or also considering 65% Fcr setup?

I would trade Fcr for some extra Dmg/Ar since Palading will be the one chasing/tanking you.


Ill try to check the ds calc again. There is something wrong^^

Got it fixed now. I will make some tables to see whats worth it and not to upgrade on my assa ^^ But for me it really seems: If eth fools 250+ed feral claws or higher dmg, the First LO is better than BER, The second rune BER is BETTER than LO. Um aint bad either, but OW usually hits enough on my low level 92 assa....

I have tryed all builds, this is my second ghost. Had a nice one way before the other ones. With both guilaume / really nice visio / valk 08. And when i remake now(2-3 years ago), i only make a 102fcr/48fhr eq, and that is better vs all type of chars... You wont be able to tank a bva nomather how strong eq u got, but you can outplay him with 102fcr...

This post was edited by gel87 on Feb 20 2018 12:26pm
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Feb 20 2018 12:29pm
Quote (Darkal @ Feb 20 2018 06:00pm)
I'd go Um Lo more than Ber. OW bypasses %DR and keeps dealing damage over 8 seconds.
I'd go Lo over Ber since Ber it's actually useful vs high life characters, basically Barbs only. Also it's effectiveness decreases as opponent life decreases too.

Are you playing 102% Fcr only or also considering 65% Fcr setup?

I would trade Fcr for some extra Dmg/Ar since Palading will be the one chasing/tanking you.


They can't chase in WOF + MAX mb 102fcr... When they do, they get stunned... And then i wirl them + cut charges with wirl+ catch if def in 1ls/3wof/1woi + mb and wirl. When they try to get out of mb range(def tele) i wirl them unexcpected.
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Feb 20 2018 01:06pm
Quote (gel87 @ 20 Feb 2018 19:29)
They can't chase in WOF + MAX mb 102fcr... When they do, they get stunned... And then i wirl them + cut charges with wirl+ catch if def in 1ls/3wof/1woi + mb and wirl. When they try to get out of mb range(def tele) i wirl them unexcpected.


Why don't you want them to chase you? Just place 2-3 traps (I use both LS and WoF) and WW south-west. Stun with MB and cast more traps. In the moment they try to charge out or WSB, jump and WW again.
Anyway it's impossible to face a well equipped BvA/BvC who knows at least some basics. I don't even want to try it.
Paladins are hard but doable tho.

I'm not good with math and calculations and I'm not a great PvP'er either, but that's what I've experienced. I can't log right now but I can share my build if you are interested.
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Feb 20 2018 04:04pm
Quote (Darkal @ Feb 20 2018 07:06pm)
Why don't you want them to chase you? Just place 2-3 traps (I use both LS and WoF) and WW south-west. Stun with MB and cast more traps. In the moment they try to charge out or WSB, jump and WW again.
Anyway it's impossible to face a well equipped BvA/BvC who knows at least some basics. I don't even want to try it.
Paladins are hard but doable tho.

I'm not good with math and calculations and I'm not a great PvP'er either, but that's what I've experienced. I can't log right now but I can share my build if you are interested.


I have duelled with this assa for a couple of years now, the build is What i found best overall build. You can win all chars, even good babas, and the ones with 63%fcr who is best suited to break stun i have a chance of thank, as long as i control that the wirl duels have a little long term contact as possible i win it.

My eq and char level is far from perfect, and its not str bugged.
Thats What i wanna improve now. This is ny build:
Level 92.
Max mb, 51%dr fade with pre, and 8 less when only pre with claws.
Max venom, sometimes i full precast, other times only claws, and sometimes no pre. Max cm and venom, the rest i dont remember.

Stats:
Its statted for 27str precirc, meaning i can get 9more base life now. Level 99 would give Me a very high boost in skills + 2*7=14 life, + 3*7=21 life. Total of 44 base life. + it would boost my hit chance a lot.
Else than that Im running 5*20/5 + 5*322. I can stash 5*322 for all that i dont need stack vs.

My eq:
Precast 100% perf
30/3/10/-10 coronet
3/30 ammu
6fade/6venom/10/-10 * 2 gts
2/25/eth shadows(157str req)
2 sojs
Bug belt
50% bramble

My duel eq:
Eth feral claw: 272/40/15min/Fools/Ber Zod(i should get 2soc)
Chaos 323%. I should get a 355% with 3wb/xLS/3mb
Arach
To
Gores none perf, none upped(searching 213-huge kick boost)
Valk Lo
2/20/20dex/20@ (perf for me)
EoD 15/15 100% perf wyrm(either keep, or Go great hauberg for str bug).
If i wanna Go str bug, then i need str in both rings.. Else i change one of them into dex for better stat adds/ar. The rings got crap ar, but nice overall stats. Changing theese would definitiv help a lot on average hit chance, due to bugged mechanic of wirlwind using failed hit checked wepons ar for next attack on both claws...
The rings are
10/82ar/20str/11@/40life/29cr
10/68/11str/10@/74mana/35life
Changing theese can give Me 240-68-82= 90base ar, by switching to dex i can get 15*5=75 more base ar. With claw, ench and wirl bonuses that is 165*7,53 = 1242 more ar which is a huge add on chaos side.

Else than that i could get myself a 2/20/20dex/1xx ar ammu for vs baba/smiter/hammer which adds up to 903 more ar.

I also got rare 3resi boots and 4 cold stack scs i sometimes uses.
Theese i never use because 102fcr >
Hl
08 viper eye
Perf raven
Perf wisp
Angelic amu
Angelic ring

My old assa had stuff like visio helm(2shadows/20fcr/30frw/19@/17dex/add 1 free soc) but the 102fcr vs all seems to always be best for me.

This post was edited by gel87 on Feb 20 2018 04:07pm
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Feb 20 2018 04:38pm
You shouldn’t include buffed stats in your calculations, it’s BM and frankly a huge hassle to have to go through for general pvp. If you’re gonna buff, might as well bring in a BO barb and chant sorc, etc. Try re-running your calculations on a standard gm 65% FCR build. Mine is as follows

2sin/20fcr/vis/20dex/60 life/2 soc
Enigma AP
Gchaos
Storm song (fools) or doom thirst (cruel)
Raven
10fcr/120ar/25str/15dex/20life ring
Arach
Dancers
High lords
Trang gloves

Cruels:


Fools:


This post was edited by Azn Masta on Feb 20 2018 04:47pm
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Feb 21 2018 02:50am
Theorycrafting and excel will only get you so far. I tested every build, including 37x 3/2/2 :lol:

In fact, 37x 322 offers the most life (I had 5200 IIRC), ar and damage but everything else suffers. DR, Block, mb and it's just not worth it. 5 or 6 skillers is perfect middle ground - depends if you can get 62% block easily.
Oh, and also for barb or paladin if you care about them, guillaumes + fcr amu and 65fcr is by far the best you can use. And OW is the most important here, you can't trade ww's with any half decent barb, smiter will just fuck you up (with lt, due to a bug, even more so) and hammer needs quick ww's again.

vs nec you don't need chaos, use two hard hitting cruel claws, ideally Lo or Lo+Um and dclaw them :)

Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 20 2018 03:38pm)
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afaik he's from EU, good luck getting gclaw there :/
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Feb 21 2018 02:57am
um >> ber vs almost all opps, may be except shapers....
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Feb 21 2018 03:37am
Btw prebuffing it's BM and annoying.
I keep a prebuff equip in stash "just in case" but I almost never used it.

Nothing special, but that's my build. Just one claw cuz I'm poor! :cry:



This post was edited by Darkal on Feb 21 2018 03:43am
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Feb 21 2018 04:41am
As Azn mentioned, if you plan to prebuff like that and you want a cheap way to upgrade your sin just bring a chant sorc and bo barb. Stat more dex since you get n1 life with bo and on swap instead of cta/shield go for 2x precast claws so nn to visit stash at all neither carry cube with you.
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