i swear during all the discussion around clegs and whatnot atomic and elusive decided there was a particular way to make the conc/zeal scepter perform on par with clegs, but it was pretty specific gear iirc?

As far as I know the rule has always been to spam "clegs >" whenever you see a level 18 item that is not clegs

if crated DS hat could get 2 os at level 18 i’d have probably used my 3 zeal/3 conc scepter more. the thud smacking sound scepter makes is the best too

it works just fine on normal zeal build especially when you have have a fully tricked out one. scepter works decently on defiance zealot too

I swear that too I think it was 3/3 scepter and 40x 15/12 vs clegs with a few 6/48/20s and scepter barely won afaik

When I originally was working out how to beat saytuns scepter zealot I first wanted to try azurewrath but it wouldn't reach the speed so I settled on clegs.

I won a lot of tournies on him until I retired him from tournies. Elusive took over and was number one for a long time.

I think if there was a way to beat clegs, someone would have used it by now. Mathematically a scepter has to be a ridiculously good eth rep rare with skills and 2 sockets to be significantly better than clegs.

This post was edited by ATOMICMAN on Feb 17 2019 12:57pm

yeah i dont think anything besides a crazy rare would win straight up in an offensive zealot battle. i wrote up ages ago that a tricked out defiance zealot would be the trick vs a top cleg zealot and it ended up being always the toughest matchup when someone finally built a proper one. the one andy and paul built Nap was the best one built imo. they balanced it perfecty with dmg/defense/life/ar and built it around azurewrath

i have now on my zealot a stupid rare eth rep scepter i just never got around to testing it. right now hes in some hybrid offensive/defensive build with an eth rep ancient and 5 fpa with scepter lol

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=27442181&f=143&o=150

the screenies are gone but this is where me and jerkazoid figured it all out.

Scepter was better with 15/12s and clegs was better with 6/max/20's but it doesnt matter. its a coin flip either way

will give it a full read but on page 4 looks like 3/3 is way superior.

ill Restat my zealot and test the two offensive builds tonight

i would have to go back and check but he is doing this with normal rushes?

I'll test duel with you. I have a defiance zealot.