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Oct 22 2017 12:01am
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/20/558978896/federal-judge-will-not-void-guilty-ruling-on-arpaio-despite-trumps-pardon
So he was detaining people who could not be charged with anything simply because he thought they were illegal, got told to stop by a judge and ignored her.
He was found in contempt and charged.

Trump immediately pardoned him, before he even appealed.
So the judge made sure that the ruling stuck and that left the conviction in place but unpunishable due to the pardon, but left it no longer able to be appealed.
Now if any of the people he illegally held wants to sue him he can never clear his record and he has already been found guilty of what he is being accused of.
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Oct 22 2017 12:14am
agreed

fuck trump

This post was edited by JohnMiller92 on Oct 22 2017 12:14am
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Oct 22 2017 07:08am
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agreed

fuck trump

yep end of drumpf* for sure
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Oct 23 2017 12:30am
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yep end of drumpf* for sure


Hope not.
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Oct 23 2017 01:01am
Legalese is sometimes tough. The Supreme court will overrule this...


From the article linked above.


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On Thursday, Bolton quoted Black's Law Dictionary to say that a pardon "releases the wrongdoer from punishment and restores the offender's civil rights without qualification."



I'm no lawyer but I would bet that "without qualification" means........without qualification. One of a US citizens civil rights is the ability to have his day in court. So if any chose to sue Arpaio, he would legally be able to defend himself. I feel that the original judge in this case...HAD to say Trump couldn't completely pardon him...this to protect his/her credibility, knowing that the Supreme Court would overrule it.

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Oct 23 2017 04:15am
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 23 2017 02:01am)
Legalese is sometimes tough. The Supreme court will overrule this...


From the article linked above.





I'm no lawyer but I would bet that "without qualification" means........without qualification. One of a US citizens civil rights is the ability to have his day in court. So if any chose to sue Arpaio, he would legally be able to defend himself. I feel that the original judge in this case...HAD to say Trump couldn't completely pardon him...this to protect his/her credibility, knowing that the Supreme Court would overrule it.


Getting your rights restored =/= having a criminal conviction expunged from your record.
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Oct 23 2017 04:21am
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Getting your rights restored =/= having a criminal conviction expunged from your record.



It pretty much does. The article claims...



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"Arpaio attorney Jack Wilenchik said because of the pardon, the former sheriff will never have the chance to appeal the ruling, leaving him open to future lawsuits.

" 'What if an illegal alien who claims they were wrongfully detained were to sue civilly, then the fact that he was convicted of willfully defying the court order could be used against him,' said Wilenchik.

Wilenchik said he was not surprised that the judge had refused to undo her own order. He said he (Arpaio I assume) has appealed the judge's order to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.



THAT (bold) would violate his civil rights. It would also make it possible for a judge to overrule (in effect) a president's pardon.
I seriously doubt the supreme court will let it stand.
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Oct 23 2017 05:34am
Will still be on record and should be. He isn't Steven Segel....he isn't...above the law.
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Oct 23 2017 05:47am
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Will still be on record and should be. He isn't Steven Segel....he isn't...above the law.


He'd probably go for the judge Dred claim:

"I am the law".
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Oct 23 2017 03:17pm
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 23 2017 09:21pm)
It pretty much does. The article claims...






THAT (bold) would violate his civil rights. It would also make it possible for a judge to overrule (in effect) a president's pardon.
I seriously doubt the supreme court will let it stand.


I think it will have to stand, he can not appeal it because it was pardoned.
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