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Oct 18 2017 06:19pm
Quote (gel87 @ 14 Oct 2017 15:47)
Yes, but after like 15 years of d2, fun chars are more fun xD

And i was thinking bear assa:
Eth fools self repl runic, 40ias, 290+ed, 5% chance to amp with dual shael + war fist 3shadow/3venom/3add skill with 5% psn facet + 9dex/9str/10@/40lr (wsm bug) 8,33 attacks pr sec in bear form. (auto wsm bug)


Weapon block doesn't work with werebear.
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Oct 19 2017 04:30am
Quote (legen @ 18 Oct 2017 15:10)
A perfect legendary mallets min is higher than griefs max, and its max is ~100 higher then griefs max... So theres no 200-600 being considered here. Dont care enough but i actually have a maple code / probability distribution of damage rolls and how its translates back to fhr% chances given a targets life. Vs druids/necs a edeath always came out on top vs grief beast :/

But i mean you just said the best way to catch a druid is to zerk them so yeah.. Not going to bother continuing on this lol

Talk to paul, he'll verify the way i play/abuse a 2h'er in fpks can be outright stupid.


450ed mallet does 412 to 500 , god 439 to 517. Factoring the strengh bonus and dmg jool/extra Lo it maybe does 5%-10% more dmg at best yes. I think the best roll on the realm is 445% without min/max anyway.. But still, i was thinking of d2pk's cruel eth rare ba's. In an ideal world where u namelock stomp every one range is negligible but in actual duels one does a lot of non-namelock barely-in-range whirls whether offensive or defensive. I hope the special fpk way its not just leap defuq till ur assa forces some1 to wsg and u stomp him out of minions, walking, swirled, amped....with a 2h'er.

Talking about paul, id quote him but i dont hav the topic, i remember him typing something like, '' i cant remember the last time i got leap > tele > ww'd on dudu'' for a reason. Druids can play to ignore ur leap 90% of the time and always be 6x minionstacked by timing wsg and teleport right. I hope in ur calculations u factored in the wasted hitchecks to minions. I didnt say the best way is to zerk i said its one of the two ways to kill gozu druids, and by gozu i mean maybe 4 left in europe. When u telechain u can zerk and hit him like 50% of the time or u wirl and hit him 1 in 10+ times when full minionstacked. Warcry + zerk is extremely deadly and the best way to sort the minion issue most of the time. Else... talk to paul, he'll verify L. Sure u can play blindfolded against shitty druids who cant tanktrick leap. Also Im always talking about closed bnet, not minionstackbug'd private realms like d2pk where whirl always hits like on dha/kam vids (regardles of how gozu they were)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCuNyULebJQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zexk6a25EG0
how many frames long are this whirls?

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Oct 20 2017 02:16pm
The best way is never to just zerk them, you always need to mix it up. Any attacks can be avoided so you always need play off the situation.
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Oct 20 2017 05:52pm
Idk it's easy to abuse any barb that is trying to zerkchain you, I wouldn't recommend it i.e just spam up nados and tele in ur own upnados

Bvd is just trying to be quicker and knowing which direction there nados are going so when you ww, you ww in angles which avoid the nados. Also vs the good druids i found the best way to catch them is to leap just one time (and do it rarely to try suprise them)

If you leap just the one time and it hits, the druid will automatically quickswitch wsg tele out, that's ur window to stomp, leaping more than once = ruining ur window of opportunity of catching him. You have to be fast and precise to do this though
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Oct 20 2017 07:21pm
if the barb is prebuffing BO and the dudu is a 163 build, the barb can simply have too high HP to even be 1/16 threshold FHR on nado; a 5900 max nado can only fhr up to 8k hp. But a pelt build's 7400 max nado caps out just about the same 10k hp a barb can possibly achieve with full prebuff and vita gear but no oak.
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Oct 21 2017 03:46am
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 21 2017 01:21am)
if the barb is prebuffing BO and the dudu is a 163 build, the barb can simply have too high HP to even be 1/16 threshold FHR on nado; a 5900 max nado can only fhr up to 8k hp. But a pelt build's 7400 max nado caps out just about the same 10k hp a barb can possibly achieve with full prebuff and vita gear but no oak.


Nobody uses pelt vs barbs though, you either use circ or coa vs barbs
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Oct 21 2017 09:58am
Quote (Piwah @ Oct 20 2017 11:52pm)
Idk it's easy to abuse any barb that is trying to zerkchain you, I wouldn't recommend it i.e just spam up nados and tele in ur own upnados

Bvd is just trying to be quicker and knowing which direction there nados are going so when you ww, you ww in angles which avoid the nados. Also vs the good druids i found the best way to catch them is to leap just one time (and do it rarely to try suprise them)

If you leap just the one time and it hits, the druid will automatically quickswitch wsg tele out, that's ur window to stomp, leaping more than once = ruining ur window of opportunity of catching him. You have to be fast and precise to do this though


Northspam 1 nado, walk 2 steps, nortspam another. Tele + repeat.
Spam nadoes, tele into them and run south meanwhile northspamming. Tele + repeat.

Mixing it up with a wirl should be the way to go? If u keep trying to zerk him u fail.

Zerk is very nice vs all casters, however if you don't mix things up, ur gonna loose.
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Oct 21 2017 11:13am
Quote (gel87 @ Oct 21 2017 03:58pm)
Northspam 1 nado, walk 2 steps, nortspam another. Tele + repeat.
Spam nadoes, tele into them and run south meanwhile northspamming. Tele + repeat.

Mixing it up with a wirl should be the way to go? If u keep trying to zerk him u fail.

Zerk is very nice vs all casters, however if you don't mix things up, ur gonna loose.


You should never walk 2 steps while north spamming lol, that's asking to be killed vs a good barb due to the fact your wolves stop protecting you when you do start to walk

This post was edited by Piwah on Oct 21 2017 11:14am
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You should never walk 2 steps while north spamming lol, that's asking to be killed vs a good barb due to the fact your wolves stop protecting you when you do start to walk


Not if he zerks.
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Oct 21 2017 12:38pm
tele ww ezpk
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