your tories like my front national (which got renamed since)
im not shaming this or this other party btw, finally the only thing i dont like are the champagne socialists, but even those can be better than some others, sometimes.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Aug 12 2018 02:07pm

that comes from the very guy, who dodges every time or goes missing every time he is confronted with too many facts he doesnt like
even credible mainstream media information gets dismissed, when it does not fit the narrative, talking about ignorance from your end.....doesnt get any better

you dont see me or anyone else here posting breitbart trash, so you might as well do better than providing "information" from antifa thugs

ah, i almost forgot
they are the good guys, arent they?

to be fair though, it was not fender who jumped to these sources because they fitted his point of view - the liberal "quality" newspaper The Guardian did.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 13 2018 04:43am

I dunno man. Seems like you're the one that ducked out of the debate in the thread we actually discussed this in and then tried to announce your victory somewhere I rarely post so it might go uncontested.

I mean that's what it could look like to an outside observer but I'm sure you wouldn't be that petty or dishonest would you?

A 4 point lead for conservatives in a yougov poll is pretty damn poor. It shows that even by the yougov estimate they wouldn't win enough seats in the election to keep control of the government - even with the DUP backing them.
That's why they're running scared.

4% does not an overall majority make. In fact other polls that I referenced in the thread you dodged out of suggest that labour could end up with the majority. Plus it really depends how that 4% is distributed among the constituencies as to where the seats would be won.

It's ok if you don't understand how elections work in the UK. You can google this shit and find out though.

the tldr about elections in the UK is that its complicated and almost impossible to predict from national polls unless those show a blowout.

conservatives 4% ahead of labour with both being at sub-40% (i.e. lots of votes for libdems, ukip, snp, greens etc.) could plausibly lead to anything form a solid tories majority, over a severly hung parliament that not even a coalition with the DUP can break up, to a solid Labour majority.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 13 2018 06:56am

Yep, on current polling Labour may be able to force another hung parliament. Would you celebrate it like you did in 2017?

honestly, I think that at this point, neither the tories nor labour have much to gain from a new election. it would push the libdems and bring ukip back from the dead, only to almost surely end in yet another hung parliament.

Definitely. I don't even think Corbyn thinks he can PM and is comfortable leading a protest party with cultists that will follow him regardless. Corbyn lost the last election against a severely weakened Conservative party, will he ever get a better chance?

nice projection. i made my comment based on your outright refusal to even address the FACTS presented concerning leave support in the UK, and you immediately resorted to your 'very smart' rubber and glue defence ( https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=79303019&f=119 ).
come back when you're willing to discuss the TOPIC rather than your lazy antifa accusations against everyone and everything that doesn't agree with your unsophisticated black and white think...



i'm wondering, have you figured out a single argument to support your claim that the study is 'highly partisan' and 'biased' yet, or are we just gonna forget about basic reasoning and resort to the whole 'guilty by association to ppl i don't like' narrative?

If you read carefully, you'll notice that I never made a definitive claim that the study is highly partisan or biased. I said that the bodies funding the study are highly partisan and biased, which no one can deny, and that it is therefore a reasonable to assume bias in the study, which led me to my conclusion that this study should be taken with big grains of salt.

Moreover, I already explained that the study is based - whether due to bad intentions or due to bad timing - on data taken at the time when the brexit process was most chaotic and the outlook most dire. This alone is already enough to justify the assumption that the study will overerstimate voter backlash against brexit. Also note that I diont deny the existence of a shift in support which is working against brexit. I'm just very sceptical that this shift is as pronounced as overtly partisan media and studies funded by overtly partisan interest groups want to make us believe.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 13 2018 01:42pm