I was just showing the level 20 2 sock 10 ds helm!

Also showing off in general ofc

^^! Its fine, thats why we're here for.

The thing with level 24 lld, is that it unlock a tone of movepool.
Level 21 gives you simply access to more items, not just sc..
And you have stronger skills, not new no nothing.

After all, level 9, 18, 24 and 30 lld always been there.
My question was, why does 21 never been an option to you gm lld.
A Sin level 21 can have alot more weapon choice, for exemple.

Lets keep going with this please :)
And after you guys should all try.
Level 21 makes a slight detail.
But it is with small details that we make big diffrences.

Happy gaming :)

Might have something to do with people not enjoying melee vs melee

sorry to tell you but 21 has always been a thing for max.ar.life scs. 24 has as well, but there's no "new" builds

sadly, as bonnerf said, 21 just makes chargers and bowas better, its the same as 18 only 2 viable builds.

21 should be a lvl for characters that cannot compete at 18
Wolf/bear druids/sorcs/maybe a trap sin
I'd make a 24 bf sin I think that would be the only 24 I'd rly enjoy besides a charger

ive got one partially built lol , franks build with hellplague longsword for skills for traps.

21 for builds that cant hack it at 18 is a decent idea though, chargers and bowas just dont need 3 lvls and better charms.

no some of those necs/kickers hold their own too

21 maulers work pretty well too. Perhaps a different ballgame on SC, where you've got more casters/runners to contend with, but on HC, its a nice counter to chargers. Tanky enough to take some hits, and the maul damage is respectable when charged up.

Rogues bow, max'd gp, max'd +3maul pelt, sanders (or gtoes vs melee if you go 22). I don't recall off the top of my head the IAS breakpoints re: deaths vs bf+rare, and I'm not going to look it up right now, but it hits pretty quick.

Not the #1 build at 21 by any stretch of the imagination, but a very viable one for some variety, especially for hc lld!

Rogues bow on melee as a counter to chargers?

with 2k+ life on a shifter, you can still take several charges without a problem. The list of other weapons with reasonable attack speed is short, and imo, falls short of rogues. Composite Bow is a [-10] base, with 50% IAS, you're not hitting the same IAS breakpoints with any other viable weapon at 21. Additionally, maulers at 21 don't have another source of DS, rogues adds 30%.

A 2h build to counter chargers is counter-intuitive, but Rogues fits the bill perfectly for a mauler with its high attack speed+crit, and its one of the few builds which can take a couple charges without a shield.

I'm not theorycrafting, I've made the build several times