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Oct 15 2017 03:58pm
this thread should of ended at burning more cals than u consume
+ workout to speed up the process
no need to complicate it
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Quote (Sunline @ 15 Oct 2017 16:33)
wow Rew, I don't even..

You're seriously trying to compare two different diets, and having one diet setup with only cardio and the other with only barbell training? lmfao, no shit they're gonna get different results.

Apparently you're one of those guys who thinks IIFYM is all about finding a way to eat as much junk as possible while hitting macros. It's not. It's just not super restrictive and give people more freedom, which seems to be better for long term adherence.

And keto isn't superior to a standard caloric deficit when losing weight. Yeah you'll lose more weight, but not more fat (hint, water). I mean the claims you make, jeez.

Oh and IIFYM isn't science? Haha, you should check out the meal replacements being used in pretty much all studies.


I'm pretty much completely with dark-soul on his comments


I am saying that the usual brand of IIFYM espoused by broscience isn't particularly strong in terms of scientific backing. I am not arguing against IIFYM, as I said before. But, in the mainstream, it is absolutely a way to eat as much junk as possible while hitting macros. The Lord and Saviour of broscience (dom mazetti) says as much in his book. He says it with humour, but he's just laying out the terrain of the average bulker or dieter.

I agree that IIFYM is inherently not restrictive and it can help in terms of adherence, but most people don't move toward a solid practice and understanding of nutrition after following an IIFYM diet.

I disagree with the claim that you won't lose more fat on a keto diet. The following is an introductory list of studies on keto regarding efficacy for decreased insulin resistance and fat loss, along with comparative studies showing definitively that you lose more fat in ketosis than on an IIFYM diet. I can also show you numerous studies on how ketosis works to improve our odds against metabolic disorders, cancer, Alzheimer's, inflammation and epilepsy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17180148
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23801097
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14525681
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14769483
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14769489
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11122785
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12079835
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23651522
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18635428
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19366978
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC538279/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12679447
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17971178
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19640952
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16848698
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3374237/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12406040

This post was edited by RewtheBrave on Oct 15 2017 06:57pm
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Oct 15 2017 11:53pm
sweat and eat healty. if you want to build your upper body wait untill you have the weight off and kept off before you start bulking. just make sure you dont stop the core and ab excersizes while you go for the gainz
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Oct 22 2017 10:16am
I'm curious if anyone on here has tried the extreme form of intermittent fasting that my friend does...he was skeptical at first and then he read some studies which convinced him there might be something there...and so he tried it...and he says its working for him...

he fasts for 36-48 hours every week and on the days he is training he eats around his workouts.
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Oct 22 2017 10:21am
Quote (ferf @ Oct 7 2017 10:46pm)
Hmm ok thanks guys, looking for more opinions



bw i should of made myself more clear, i'm not looking to lose weight, only my stomach, i actually wanna build more upper body mass


Liposuction

This post was edited by Decarnate on Oct 22 2017 10:21am
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