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Aug 23 2017 11:14am
Quote (Majithor @ Aug 23 2017 12:12pm)
the USADA guy is too boring i didn't listen to the whole thing

i'm sure he covers it though

but i saw this
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH4NGHKXUAIhG3p.jpg


where is the evidence that Jon Jones passed every other test leading up to the fight?

CSAC hasn't even announced their drug tests for all the fighters yet
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Aug 23 2017 11:17am
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where is the evidence that Jon Jones passed every other test leading up to the fight?

CSAC hasn't even announced their drug tests for all the fighters yet


dunno but that guy was 'sitting at the dinner table w/ jon' when he got the call


i don't know any more than i just showed you
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Aug 23 2017 11:17am
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where is the evidence that Jon Jones passed every other test leading up to the fight?

CSAC hasn't even announced their drug tests for all the fighters yet



lol so this could cross into Lesnar territory?

They "allegedly" could have known he was on gear and let him compete?
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Aug 23 2017 11:19am
stop making shit up... there is nothing about pre-fight shit

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Aug 23 2017 11:20am
Quote (HomeRun916 @ Aug 23 2017 12:17pm)
lol so this could cross into Lesnar territory?

They "allegedly" could have known he was on gear and let him compete?


I'm not saying he wasn't clean leading up to the fight, but has USADA or CSAC confirmed he passed a test within weeks of weigh in
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Aug 23 2017 11:25am
Quote (Majithor @ Aug 23 2017 10:19am)
stop making shit up... there is nothing about pre-fight shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a987QuuHAU4



Hah, says the guy who posts about "a guy who was sitting at a table next to Jon when he got the call"

Asking questions.
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Aug 23 2017 11:51am




/copying conor finally worked for someone. Kevin Lee pops up in every video about everything now.

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T IS FOR… “TURINABOL”
August 23, 2017 by Dave Marsdin
Late last night it was revealed that UFC Light-Heavyweight champion Jon Jones had tested positive prior to his UFC 214 victory over Daniel Cormier, allegedly for the steroid Turinabol. We look at what it is, how it is detected, and what happens next for Jones.

What is Turinabol?

Turinabol . or to use its proper name, Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone, was originally developed in the early 1960’s by an East-German company, Jenapharm. Used extensively by East German athletes it propelled them on the world stage to rival superpowers USA and Russia in the seventies and eighties. In 2005 the company was forced to contribute $4.1m to a fund to compensate former athletes forced to dope, many suffering life changing physiological issues. With the collapse of the eastern block, and more modern anti doping methods Turinabol gradually fell out of fashion (despite its relatively short detection window), and officially, is no longer manufactured despite being widely available.

So it’s pretty old school?

It is, but it has remained popular because historically it had a fairly small detection window, and unlike other steroids (including Dianabol which it is a derivative of) it does not cause an increase in estrogen.

You say “Historically” it had a small detection window?

Historically it had a very small detection window, as little as a few days, but that has changed in recent years. New test methods can detect Turinabol use for weeks, sometimes months after administration.

Months?

Grigory Rodchenkov and Tim Sobolevsky published a paper in The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology detailing the procedure for a new test for oral turinabol.

You may recognize Rodchenkov’s name. It was Rodchenkov who was responsible for organizing the doping programs of hundreds of Russian athletes at the 2008 and 2012 Olympics.

The key cocktail of choice was in fact Turinabol, mixed with alcohol which the athlete would swish around their mouth, and then spit out, ensuring rapid absorption of the steroid, but equally quick excretion.


The new test discovered a key metabolite of Turinabol coded “M3” which remains detectable in the body for up to 6 months.

So hang on, he created a test to detect the very substance he was doping athletes with?

Yes, but not before swapping out the steroid in his “cocktail” from Turinabol to Trenbelone. The result was that Russian athletes continued to avoid detection, and Russia’s rivals who had copied their Turinabol recipe found their athletes tested positive at an alarming rate.

Of course, the one thing he didn’t account for was retroactive testing, and when samples from the 2008 and 2012 Olympics were re-analyzed using the new method over 100 athletes, mostly from Russia and other former Soviet states tested positive.

How does this fit in with Jones’ case?

All we know at this moment is that it has been reported that he tested positive for Turinabol, that has yet to be confirmed by Jones or members of his team. If it is the case, then the substance could have entered his body at any time in the one or two months preceding the fight, perhaps even longer.

But, it’s been reported Jones’ earlier samples were negative?

This is what his team has said, but, we cannot be sure that his samples were all analyzed using the new method.

Because of the sheer number of different prohibited substances, it is not possible to analyze every sample for every single substance. USADA will use a number of strategies to determine which analysis methods are used for each sample.

We saw with the Frank Mir case, his first sample was declared negative by USADA. His sample from fight night was declared positive for Turinabol. On being informed of the positive USADA then returned to his prior sample and re-analyzed that using the new Turinabol Metabolite test and that too was positive.

Another case is that of Jessica Penne, where biological passport data raised a flag which caused USADA to go back and re-analyze a sample using different methodology, which again, resulted in a positive test and a potential violation.

So the Turinabol could have entered his body at any time?

It very much depends if his samples given to USADA were analyzed for Turinabol. If they were and came back negative, then his team can pinpoint the drug entering his system sometime between early July and fight night. If they weren’t, then the window becomes much bigger, and the substance could have entered his system as far back as May 2017, the previous time he was tested.

Will USADA re-test his previous samples for Turinabol now?

There is every chance they will, as they did in the Frank Mir case. There is also an outside chance that Jones’ team may request that to help clarify the timeline.

What punishment is Jones looking at?

A standard punishment for a steroid under the UFC/USADA Anti Doping Program is two years. This is however doubled for a second offense, so Jones could be looking at potentially, a career ending four-year suspension.

Could a contaminated supplement be at fault?

It’s certainly possible. There are several supplements on USADA’s High-Risk List that have been found to contain Turinabol.

The UFC Anti doping program allows for a reduction of sentence if contamination is determined to be the cause, for example, we saw both Yoel Romero and Tim Means receive 75% reduction in their sentences for falling prey to supplements with unlisted ingredients. However, even a 75% reduction would still see Jones face a one-year suspension, and after his previous case of “negligence,” a tribunal is unlikely to fall on the side of generosity.

So what happens next?

For now, Jones’ team will request testing of the b-sample. They have a right to have a representative present for the b-sample analysis (something they declined to do in 2016 when he tested positive for Clomiphine).

It’s also very possible that USADA re-test some of his prior samples in the coming days and we could potentially see more positive tests announced.

Should the b-sample, as is likely, confirm the results of the A-sample then the quest will begin for Jones’ team to establish a cause. If it is anything like last time, we can expect athlete lawyer Howard Jacob’s to go on the offensive and his team to challenge the findings to the end
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Aug 23 2017 12:10pm
he's a roider... too many red flags




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