Quote (djman72 @ Aug 18 2017 07:05am)
FUCKING ROFL :rofl:
They don't advocate for workers to own their own tools for production. Meaning, things should stay in the hands of corporations. That's inherently a right-wing policy.
The dems' most left-leaning person is still a capitalist. They'd rather loose an election to Donald "They Let You Do It" Trump than actually challenge the status quo.
Quote (AspenSniper @ Aug 18 2017 06:26am)
I don't understand what you mean by that. Do you mean it's unfair of me to say democrats whined when republicans went far right and didn't allow Obama to move and now democrats are doing the same thing by going far left and not letting Trump move? How am I wrong here? You literally just said that dems need to go farther left.
Quote (AspenSniper @ Aug 18 2017 07:38am)
The problem is that they used to be centrist. That's what my whole "I hate my political party" thread is about. The reason I became a democrat is because I saw the republican party as a bunch of arrogant pricks who refused to understand any side but their own, pushing further right. The left I appreciated especially in Obama's tenure for trying to continuously reach across party lines. Obama's Jobs Bill that never got passed was one of the best pieces of legislation I ever saw written. It had tax incentives for business owners for hiring people to get them off unemployment and a plethora of other really great ideas that would benefit republican ideology. What did republicans do? They murdered it. Didn't even consider it. It was shameful.
The issue I have now is that dems aren't centrist. They're flocking to the far-left ideologies and just agreeing with any far left idea as long as it's anti-trump. People who want free college for all but don't take 10 seconds to think that maybe we should put restrictions on that such as making it tied to a GPA or tying it to making you go to an in-state or community college first, etc. They just want what they went and smirk and laugh at republicans who disagree. It's embarrassing for me to associate myself with a party like that. It leaves moderates who would absolutely vote democrat stuck in the middle, like me.
It really makes me sad that dems are not able to be bipartisan anymore. I thought they were the party that was above that.
Could you have any less of a spine? Dems compromising on everything gets us half-assed garbage like the ACA instead of actually more efficient single payer healthcare for all. We need higher education for everyone because automation and outsourcing means a bunch of jobs are never coming back. The drug war should have ended the day it started. It's only caused organized crime to hold its power and for millions to be thrown in prison for health problems. Police still have white supremacy leftover from the Civil Rights era widespread across the country in multiple departments. Absolutely no one was held accountable for the 2008 recession, despite the fact it was avoidable and destroyed people's lives.
Democrats "compromising" on this stuff hasn't done shit. It's only resulted in the GOP consolidating power so they can openly support a race to the bottom. Net neutrality is gone. Student loans are causing a throttle on population growth because millenials aren't buying homes and starting families. Wages have declined despite profits skyrocketing.
But yeah man. Let's "compromise" on being able to survive when working a full-time job and paying to work at a company who would pay you in coupons if they could. Surely peddling to corporations will someday cause that money to trickle down.
The longer the democrats continue to sit in the right and the longer the GOP moves farther right, the closer we come to this whole thing crashing down. Revolutions aren't fun. They're violent and bloody. But revolution is looking more and more like a soon to be reality as capitalism's contradictions stop being corrected.