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Aug 14 2017 07:07pm
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its always been about china man...they need that tiny little puppet regime so bad they pumped millions in for the war




The problem is, that if we move militarily on NK, we will be starting a war with China.
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China is running NK, behind the scenes.
China wants the South China Sea, and they want all the countries surrounding it to be vassal states...once again.

The danger is not NK...it's China.


Top U.S. general says committed to working through difficulties with China

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-usa-china-idUSKCN1AV0VA

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China has been angered by U.S. freedom of navigation patrols near Chinese-controlled islands in the disputed South China Sea and U.S. arms sales and support for self-ruled Taiwan, which China claims as a wayward province.

The United States has expressed concern about what it calls unsafe intercepts of U.S. aircraft by the Chinese air force and a lack of transparency in China's military spending, China being in the midst of an ambitious military modernization program.




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You properly understood the situation: China is trying to take the lead, and for a "good" reason: investors.
Investors are leaving China, this is a serious problem (for them).
For now the trust is going to the west; military power & international status.

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You properly understood the situation: China is trying to take the lead, and for a "good" reason: investors.
Investors are leaving China, this is a serious problem (for them).
For now the trust is going to the west; military power & international status.




Well I can understand China trying to take the lead. They do have way too many people in China, they need to take the lead. However, it seems that what the want to do is absorb all the various countries around the East & South China Seas.

Which would be fine for China, but not for the various countries.


THIS is what all the BS with North Korea is about. Kim Jong knows they can't threaten the U.S. with any meaningful rationality. So why are they doing it?

They are doing it because China is, more or less, forcing them to, in order to keep everyone's eye fixed on what North Korea is doing, rather than what China has been doing.


The NYTimes article in the OP has the details, pretty much. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/30/world/asia/what-china-has-been-building-in-the-south-china-sea.html
The maps below show the South China Sea and the area (enclosed in orange dash marks) that China is claiming as it's own.
That area passes $5 Trillion in trade per year, and is the lifeblood of the whole area and the surrounding countries.

In the second picture (below) you can see all the islands and reefs that China has "claimed" and is currently building on (massively).

















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Yeah, looking your map, they really look to invade the south.
They will probably build alot of military bases if not already done.
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Yeah, looking your map, they really look to invade the south.
They will probably build alot of military bases if not already done.




You didn't read the article. :)

They already started at least two years ago.


This WAS a barely above sea level coral reef.....

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You didn't read the article. :)

They already started at least two years ago.


This WAS a barely above sea level coral reef.....

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2015/05/29/south-china-sea-stack/61d10522a5f284dd338f6bbf508b324753682226/sat-fierycross-2015apr18-720.jpg


Well no im super buzy i didnt read... And yes, they are working hard on it.
They also "hate" Japanese & South Koreans (Strong historical reasons) that are US allies...


All their borders overlap each others


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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Aug 15 2017 06:55pm)
Well no im super buzy i didnt read... And yes, they are working hard on it.
They also "hate" Japanese & South Koreans (Strong historical reasons) that are US allies...


All their borders overlap each others

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/South_China_Sea_claims_map.jpg/450px-South_China_Sea_claims_map.jpg




Yes but the problem here is that China's big red borderis 1000's of miles from it's coast. International Maritime Law has set distances from a countries coast for it's "sea borders" to be.
China is way out of bounds with this.

Look at China's sea borders in your pic. Notice how very close they are to all the other surrounding countries. THAT'S the problem.
Many if not all of these countries have fishing as a very large part of their sustenance. China going overboard like this, is severely damaging these other countries ability to feed themselves, as well as their export trade.

If left the way it is...China will slowly starve these other countries of foodstuffs and thereby force them to capitulate to China's demands.

Take the time to actually read some of the articles in the OP.
It's a really scary scenario.
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Aug 15 2017 11:12pm
It's over

Everything is made in china
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It's over

Everything is made in china




Well maybe the folks in all the surrounding countries want to have their own govt., leaders and culture.
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