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They need to make votes public. 7 different voters had Karlsson outside their top-3 for Norris.

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These guys need to be outed, ridiculed and then fired.

Similar thing lost Verlander the Cy Young last year.

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They need to make votes public. 7 different voters had Karlsson outside their top-3 for Norris.

lawl

These guys need to be outed, ridiculed and then fired.

Similar thing lost Verlander the Cy Young last year.



Yeah I agree. There are always votes that are down right homer votes or just completely out to lunch. If you can't cast a realistic ballot then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Now, if the top 3 were Doughty, Weber and Burns for example atleast that is defendable. But I doubt the people that didn't put Karl in their top 3 did not have 3 other "strong" candidates
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What u guys expect from joke league with joke refs? Obvs joke votes gotta be involved
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What u guys expect from joke league with joke refs? Obvs joke votes gotta be involved


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They need to make votes public. 7 different voters had Karlsson outside their top-3 for Norris.

lawl

These guys need to be outed, ridiculed and then fired.

Similar thing lost Verlander the Cy Young last year.


Baseball is TERRIBLE. The hall of fame is downright sad. All the years Jack Morris was excluded from the Hall because the writers didn't like him because he didn't kiss their ass and spoke his mind about them.


Than you have the whole reason the BCS system ever came to esistance. Michigan beat PSU who was 1 or 2 until they beat them down by like 30 in 1997.

Michigan held number 1 all year in the polls. Destroys everyone. Stifles one of the best offenses in awhile in the Rose Bowl and holds them to a few points. Was one of the best defenses ever and has no slouch of an offense led by Brian Griese.

Well after the bowls were played, Tom Osbourne announces that he is going to retire from is head coaching gig out of completely random that year as a bid for desperation votes when it was clear Michigan had the national title locked up.

Well apparently it worked if you now go back and look at the travesty that occurred in the coach's poll. It swung Nebraska into the front runner in ridiculous fashion.

Now the real gem of it all came from Tennessee and fatass Phil Fulmer. Charles Woodson won the Heisman Trophy earlier that same season over Peyton Manning, who most down south thought was going to win in a landslide.

Well fat boy Phil had Nebraska #1, of course. Now it gets good, he had undefeated Michigan ranked outside the top 10 (toughest schedule, blew teams out, played 3 similar opponents as Nebraska and beat them by dozens more points than the Huskers did..yes I understand transitive property is a terrible measure..juat pointing out all the situations.) Phil was still so bitter over Woodson winning the Heisman he did something that had no excuse for being anything other than blatant cheating and fraudulent voting just to ruin a team of kids chance at a life dream come true.

If I recall correctly, there was quite the pile of southern teams, mainly from the SEC, that voted Michigan in spots ranging from 2 to 6 or 7. Somehow they felt the team they had ranked 1-3 throughout the whole last month or two dropped several points and fell bellow teams who WEREN'T undefeated as Michigan was all year and just got done shutting down one of the most elite offenses in years.

Then Osbourne deciding to retire, created a chain of coaches moving Michigan off the number 1 perch to replace them with Nebraska out of respect for a long time coach. It wasn't nearly as shady as what some conferences did moving Michigan down to 2, but still isnt something that should be used as a determining factor as to who wins something that important.

There were also quite a few Big 12 (Was Big 8 then?) coaches who moved Michigan down into the 4 to 10 range.

Of course media coverage and social media coverage is nothing like today so outside of in the state of the Michigan, it was relatively unknown. Moving an undefeated team who blew out some power house teams below teams with 1 2 or 3 losses the last week or two to pimp another team is so unethical it's not even funny.

This is not even counting the TD Nebraska scored on 4th and goal vs. Mizzou to eventually win in OT and remain undefeated. Intentionally kicked the ball to another teamatte for a TD. So that would have ended it all before it even happened. Osbourne would have coached at least another year though.

TLDR; Voters forced Michigan to split a NCAA Football title with Nebraska and was the reason for the BCS.

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Baseball is TERRIBLE. The hall of fame is downright sad. All the years Jack Morris was excluded from the Hall because the writers didn't like him because he didn't kiss their ass and spoke his mind about them.


Than you have the whole reason the BCS system ever came to esistance. Michigan beat PSU who was 1 or 2 until they beat them down by like 30 in 1997.

Michigan held number 1 all year in the polls. Destroys everyone. Stifles one of the best offenses in awhile in the Rose Bowl and holds them to a few points. Was one of the best defenses ever and has no slouch of an offense led by Brian Griese.

Well after the bowls were played, Tom Osbourne announces that he is going to retire from is head coaching gig out of completely random that year as a bid for desperation votes when it was clear Michigan had the national title locked up.

Well apparently it worked if you now go back and look at the travesty that occurred in the coach's poll. It swung Nebraska into the front runner in ridiculous fashion.

Now the real gem of it all came from Tennessee and fatass Phil Fulmer. Charles Woodson won the Heisman Trophy earlier that same season over Peyton Manning, who most down south thought was going to win in a landslide.

Well fat boy Phil had Nebraska #1, of course. Now it gets good, he had undefeated Michigan ranked outside the top 10 (toughest schedule, blew teams out, played 3 similar opponents as Nebraska and beat them by dozens more points than the Huskers did..yes I understand transitive property is a terrible measure..juat pointing out all the situations.) Phil was still so bitter over Woodson winning the Heisman he did something that had no excuse for being anything other than blatant cheating and fraudulent voting just to ruin a team of kids chance at a life dream come true.

If I recall correctly, there was quite the pile of southern teams, mainly from the SEC, that voted Michigan in spots ranging from 2 to 6 or 7. Somehow they felt the team they had ranked 1-3 throughout the whole last month or two dropped several points and fell bellow teams who WEREN'T undefeated as Michigan was all year and just got done shutting down one of the most elite offenses in years.

Then Osbourne deciding to retire, created a chain of coaches moving Michigan off the number 1 perch to replace them with Nebraska out of respect for a long time coach. It wasn't nearly as shady as what some conferences did moving Michigan down to 2, but still isnt something that should be used as a determining factor as to who wins something that important.

There were also quite a few Big 12 (Was Big 8 then?) coaches who moved Michigan down into the 4 to 10 range.

Of course media coverage and social media coverage is nothing like today so outside of in the state of the Michigan, it was relatively unknown. Moving an undefeated team who blew out some power house teams below teams with 1 2 or 3 losses the last week or two to pimp another team is so unethical it's not even funny.

This is not even counting the TD Nebraska scored on 4th and goal vs. Mizzou to eventually win in OT and remain undefeated. Intentionally kicked the ball to another teamatte for a TD. So that would have ended it all before it even happened. Osbourne would have coached at least another year though.

TLDR; Voters forced Michigan to split a NCAA Football title with Nebraska and was the reason for the BCS.


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Baseball is TERRIBLE. The hall of fame is downright sad. All the years Jack Morris was excluded from the Hall because the writers didn't like him because he didn't kiss their ass and spoke his mind about them.


Than you have the whole reason the BCS system ever came to esistance. Michigan beat PSU who was 1 or 2 until they beat them down by like 30 in 1997.

Michigan held number 1 all year in the polls. Destroys everyone. Stifles one of the best offenses in awhile in the Rose Bowl and holds them to a few points. Was one of the best defenses ever and has no slouch of an offense led by Brian Griese.

Well after the bowls were played, Tom Osbourne announces that he is going to retire from is head coaching gig out of completely random that year as a bid for desperation votes when it was clear Michigan had the national title locked up.

Well apparently it worked if you now go back and look at the travesty that occurred in the coach's poll. It swung Nebraska into the front runner in ridiculous fashion.

Now the real gem of it all came from Tennessee and fatass Phil Fulmer. Charles Woodson won the Heisman Trophy earlier that same season over Peyton Manning, who most down south thought was going to win in a landslide.

Well fat boy Phil had Nebraska #1, of course. Now it gets good, he had undefeated Michigan ranked outside the top 10 (toughest schedule, blew teams out, played 3 similar opponents as Nebraska and beat them by dozens more points than the Huskers did..yes I understand transitive property is a terrible measure..juat pointing out all the situations.) Phil was still so bitter over Woodson winning the Heisman he did something that had no excuse for being anything other than blatant cheating and fraudulent voting just to ruin a team of kids chance at a life dream come true.

If I recall correctly, there was quite the pile of southern teams, mainly from the SEC, that voted Michigan in spots ranging from 2 to 6 or 7. Somehow they felt the team they had ranked 1-3 throughout the whole last month or two dropped several points and fell bellow teams who WEREN'T undefeated as Michigan was all year and just got done shutting down one of the most elite offenses in years.

Then Osbourne deciding to retire, created a chain of coaches moving Michigan off the number 1 perch to replace them with Nebraska out of respect for a long time coach. It wasn't nearly as shady as what some conferences did moving Michigan down to 2, but still isnt something that should be used as a determining factor as to who wins something that important.

There were also quite a few Big 12 (Was Big 8 then?) coaches who moved Michigan down into the 4 to 10 range.

Of course media coverage and social media coverage is nothing like today so outside of in the state of the Michigan, it was relatively unknown. Moving an undefeated team who blew out some power house teams below teams with 1 2 or 3 losses the last week or two to pimp another team is so unethical it's not even funny.

This is not even counting the TD Nebraska scored on 4th and goal vs. Mizzou to eventually win in OT and remain undefeated. Intentionally kicked the ball to another teamatte for a TD. So that would have ended it all before it even happened. Osbourne would have coached at least another year though.

TLDR; Voters forced Michigan to split a NCAA Football title with Nebraska and was the reason for the BCS.



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