I've seen them encourage it against planned parenthood at least.

My point being that what you said in your post is pretty common across a good portion of Christianity as well as Islam.

And here we are in the western world where the overwhelming majority of the people identify as Christian commit nearly no terrorist acts meanwhile a tiny Muslim minority is responsible for like 90% of all terrorism in the west.

Can you think of a single factor that would increase the rate of terrorism?

What are some key differences between North America and the Middle East? I can think of at least a dozen that would increase terrorism that have nothing to do with Islam.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jun 21 2017 12:13pm

PaRD's local Belgian, reporting in!

In Belgium we have a huge problem with Imams who don't speak any of the local languages. That means no Dutch, nor French, nor German, and no English either.
These are the Imams that are estranged from society (for logical reasons), and who can offer zero guidance to young Muslims who are actually trying to be proper followers of their faith. The one authority these kids should have (i.e. the Imam) is somebody they cannot communicate with.
This leaves those kids weak to being manipulated/influenced by outside sources. These kids, with way too little knowledge about Islam, are easy subjects to people who preach ISIS' caliphate, who say that Jihad justifies killing infidels, stuff like that. Many of the Muslims who have radicalized in Belgium were people who had way too little interaction with their Imams. This goes for local terrorists as well as people who traveled to Syria to join the ISIS forces there.

That is the first and foremost work item we have here. Islam needs to grow out of obscurity, Imams need to be qualified to teach, and Muslims need to start taking responsibility over what their kids are learning instead of turning a blind eye.

I don't even have to bring in ME terrorism statistics. Just look at western Europe and the daily Islamic extremist attacks from a sub population that makes up what? 2-5% of total population?

Meanwhile you have to scour the internet to find some nut that killed an abortion doctor 5 years ago to attribute to Christian terrorism, in a country that's like 70% Christian lol. Yes totally comparable, you got me

Can you think of anything not related to Islam that might increase the rates perhaps?

Even if you ignore the middle east the question still stands.

Looking at dis proportionality doesn't just mean checking the relative rates.

What?

Are you really trying to make a point that Muslims committing acts of terror in western Europe has nothing to do with Islam but everything to do with something else?

how do you propose to tackle the issue of these kids being isolated in areas where they're easily preyed upon by people looking to turn them into jihadists, the bolded isn't exactly a solution that we can act on

"homegrown"
technically the word is correct, but places like molenbeek are full-fledged parallel societies so its not that much of a difference when compared to their homeland shitholes



nice idea, but most muslim migrants come here to live among "their own" and do not plan to have native neighbours
if you try to force them they will go somewhere else

This post was edited by ampoo on Jun 21 2017 12:27pm

Depends how you define "nothing to do with". Really I'm trying to get a certain group of posters to actually acknowledge other reasons for it instead of just going the lazy route and correlating it to religion.

If we took the same approach to all religions I could correlate any number of shitty things to Christianity or Judaism, but for some reason I bet if I made those points you'd be screaming about no true scotsman.