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Jun 20 2017 06:28am
Mistakes in order:

1. Traveling to a country known for being fucking crazy
2. Touching a propaganda poster (if he did)
3. Taking a propaganda poster (if he did)

What an idiot. I guess I'm sorry he's dead, but how stupid do you have to be?
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Jun 20 2017 06:43am
Guy in the radio just now said:

"If you are this guy's dad...you just have to say....this is Obama's fault."

FM commercial radio. The rock station here in Cincy. We are a hillbilly town but fuuuuuck really?

What I want to know is was he sick when he went and if not how did his health decompensate to such a degree?

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Jun 20 2017 06:47am
RIP, but this was really stupid of him.

Doubt there will be any consequences tbh.
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Jun 20 2017 06:47am
Quote (AspenSniper @ Jun 20 2017 07:28am)
Mistakes in order:

1. Traveling to a country known for being fucking crazy
2. Touching a propaganda poster (if he did)
3. Taking a propaganda poster (if he did)

What an idiot. I guess I'm sorry he's dead, but how stupid do you have to be?



Apparently he claimed that he was manipulated by the US to do it.
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Jun 20 2017 06:48am
Quote (AspenSniper @ Jun 20 2017 07:28am)
Mistakes in order:

1. Traveling to a country known for being fucking crazy
2. Touching a propaganda poster (if he did)
3. Taking a propaganda poster (if he did)

What an idiot. I guess I'm sorry he's dead, but how stupid do you have to be?


He was curious and naive. He should have obeyed....but Americans aren't used to authoritarian....we are used to our liberal governments that respect rights.

The idea that he could be kipnapped, enslaved, and murdered by neglect, was probably inconceivable to him.
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Jun 20 2017 06:50am
Quote (Mastersam93 @ 20 Jun 2017 14:47)
Apparently he claimed that he was manipulated by the US to do it.


I heard he claimed he was manipulatedby people in the US? And that he was referring to some organization/club/frat/gang/something that required members to do some crazy dare to enter... he wanted to take the poster as a trophy to get in.

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He had been sentenced to 15 years hard labour after he was caught trying to take a propaganda banner from North Korea for someone back home in exchange for a used car and to impress a semi-secret society he wanted to join.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/otto-warmbier-dead-north-korea-prison-us-student-dies-death-coma-kim-jong-un-ohio-latest-news-a7798241.html

Not sure if the source is NK or what, so idk how reliable this is, but I've heard this on spanish media too. Hadn't heard about the used car though.

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He was curious and naive. He should have obeyed....but Americans aren't used to authoritarian....we are used to our liberal governments that respect rights.

The idea that he could be kipnapped, enslaved, and murdered by neglect, was probably inconceivable to him.


You're on your A game today my friend. Like I said, obviously he didn't deserve to be murdered, but inconceivable is probably a strong word. I would imaging 99% of his family, friends, and authority figures he had to talk to before going to NK told him that it was extremely dangerous and to not fuck around with them because they take it very seriously and will kill or imprison you. I think it's fair to assume he had many warnings of the dangers, but he wanted to be a cool guy and go to NK and then have the idiocy to try to steal something from them, AND have more idiocy to have that thing be a piece of NK propaganda, which obviously they are infuriated with Americans fucking with.

Curious and naïve? Come on. A bit of an understatement, no?
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Jun 20 2017 07:37am
Quote (AspenSniper @ Jun 20 2017 08:20am)
You're on your A game today my friend. Like I said, obviously he didn't deserve to be murdered, but inconceivable is probably a strong word. I would imaging 99% of his family, friends, and authority figures he had to talk to before going to NK told him that it was extremely dangerous and to not fuck around with them because they take it very seriously and will kill or imprison you. I think it's fair to assume he had many warnings of the dangers, but he wanted to be a cool guy and go to NK and then have the idiocy to try to steal something from them, AND have more idiocy to have that thing be a piece of NK propaganda, which obviously they are infuriated with Americans fucking with.

Curious and naïve? Come on. A bit of an understatement, no?


Cognitively, by 22, the part of your brain that deals with consequence isn't all the way developed. It doesn't finish developing until 24ish. I wouldn't underestimate that.
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Jun 20 2017 07:39am
Quote (Skinned @ Jun 20 2017 08:37am)
Cognitively, by 22, the part of your brain that deals with consequence isn't all the way developed. It doesn't finish developing until 24ish. I wouldn't underestimate that.


I feel like I've become a completely different person compared to my 18-20 self. I'm 27 now and the person I was 7 years ago really isn't ideologically close to me at all.

I imagine though this is a phase of life anyways. I'm sure I'll feel the same about current self when I'm 40.

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Jun 20 2017 08:59am
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.


I don't know if he took the poster, the CCTV video that I saw looked pretty weak and there is no doubt the confession was coherenced. In any case the I don't know why a US citizen outside of the military, state department, or intelligence services would be in North Korea to begin with.
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