Perhaps also: how does it compare to a rise from the anti Islamic right in our countries ?

Is it as frightening for them, as going back to the perfection of the Quran is for us ?

i'm not so sure about that 50 years ago bit, there were miniskirts in afghanistan until the cia messed things up if my history is correct =_=

i believe the answer to regressive cultures lies in exporting western culture to these areas

porn, internet, alcohol, tobacco, mcdonalds, starbucks, tv shows, movies and music all play a valuable role as distractions from potentially violent ideologies

This post was edited by duffman316 on Jun 21 2017 06:48pm

Yeah, you're right.. Dunno about the 50 years ago.. Afganistan and Iran were pretty progressive (probably even more Arabic countries).
Attaturk introduced a separation between religion and state.. (ahead of the Christian world)
And I think the Arabic world was actually ahead of the west when it comes to women rights. Nice

This post was edited by Knaapie on Jun 22 2017 03:35pm

you mean the early ages of islam were entire cultures were overrun by islam and subdued, people were forced to convert or pay the jizya tax to stay alive
very progressive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age


And btw, the whole of human history is a history of conquest.

People in Britain are too polarised in their opinions regarding the recent terror attacks. On the one hand you've got the PM and Corbyn both saying these people are not real Muslims, and on the other hand you've got Tommy Robinson on GMB waving about a Quran saying it's a cursed book.

When extremist Christians kill doctors that perform abortions, you say they're a crazy fool but you acknowledge that religious teachings are a primary influence and motive of the attack. When extremist Muslims kill civilians, people are quick to say they aren't Muslims, but they're inferring their own interpretation of an intentionally vague, archaic and bloody scripture. Terror attacks by extremist Muslims are partially religiously motivated and partially motivated by the individual's own anger and frustrations of being a loser.

My main gripe with Islam is that it's socially conservative to the extreme. There's a large minority of Muslims in the UK that aren't fond of living in a secular society where people can be promiscuous, wear short skirts, be gay, or use their right of free speech to criticise religion.

The obvious steps going forward are to monitor the people on the terror watch list 24/7 rather than not deem them a threat and let them travel between Arab countries and the UK without drawing any attention from the authorities.

This post was edited by dro94 on Jun 25 2017 05:02pm

if christians killing doctors was a recent widespread problem happening every other week we might have more to discuss

I was using extremist Christian attacks as an example of extremist attacks being primarily motivated by religion and said the same is true for Islamic extremism, I wasn't comparing their frequency.

I don't think a travel ban is going to work against terrorism. Most are locals with poor understanding of the Islam, easily influenced. We are monitoring and it has intensified, along with Internet censorship for extreme websites.
Reduce impulses that might radicalize and there is internationally cooperating on multiple fronts to reduce terrorism on almost every front.

Imo we're more at a point that the freedoms we claim to have are being put to test to prevent terrorism, we seem to be forgetting what we stand for:

the freedom of speech: how far can you go what you preach, as politicians, on social media and in mosques.
Freedom of religion: a minority in our civilization now has a religion an increasing part of our citizens do not accept.
Equality: background/police checks for ppl from some countries happen more thoroughly depending on where you come from.

I think we've done quite a bit, and we should not go too much further than we are doing, and more go towards simply enforcing our current laws.
We can't really go much further in checking and reducing the freedom for one part of our society more, than we already have.

From here, it's better for us locals to promote our miniskirts, like ppl in Afghanistan had 50 years ago show that the same freedom and acceptance is part of the culture we live in.

This post was edited by Knaapie on Jun 25 2017 05:55pm