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Jun 18 2017 03:26am
Quote (Ryanrules @ Jun 18 2017 09:14pm)
The 20% is an average usually at the higher tier items. Low tier items have a much larger gap. Even still, it's always a rough guideline based on how much str/dex/vit/int your character has at the time as these will also effect the gap between tiers to an extent. Anymore I don't even bother to assume anything, I do the actual math to figure out the gap between items when it's necessary.

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Going to add some numbers from the math I've done on my currently MQ armour on HC.

190%ee level 40 scale with 88vit + 20int = Physical Defense: 58 to 233, Magical Defense: 36 to 110

168%ee level 45 scale with 88vit + 20int = Physical Defense: 58 to 233, Magical Defense: 36 to 110

147%ee level 50 scale with 88vit + 20int = Physical Defense: 58 to 233, Magical Defense: 36 to 110

128%ee level 55 scale with 88vit + 20int = Physical Defense: 58 to 233, Magical Defense: 36 to 110

Gaps are as follows:

22% from 40-45
21% from 45-50
19% from 50-55

Total %ee gap from 40-55 = 62%

62%/3 = 20.67% average per tier at this level


Interesting formula, now let us take it from Base stats:

Level 40 (XI) Sword = 11-110 Base damage * 1.22 = 13.42 (rounded down to 13) to 134.20 (rounded down to 134)
Level 45 (XII) Sword = 12-120 Base Damage.
... So the difference is: +1 minimum damage to +14 maximum damage using the equation of 22% as a comparison from level 40 (Tier11) to level 45 (Tier12) item.

Now 20% difference between the same Tier level base damage:
Level 40 (XI) Sword = 11-110 Base damage * 1.20 = 13.20 (rounded down to 13) to 132.00 (rounded down to 132)
Level 45 (XII) Sword = 12-120 Base damage.
... So the difference is: +1 minimum damage to +13 maximum damage using the equation of 20% as a comparison from level 40 (Tier11) to level 45 (Tier12) item.

Sorry, the maths you posted are off, just like this guy in this quote below:

Quote (SunnyInPhiladelphia @ Jun 18 2017 09:38pm)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This already exists. Maybe one of your "friends" could share it with you. Look another nugget of knowledge. I really shouldn't help people like you.

Seeing Ryan post here made me come back. Disappointed in the effort he wasted trying to help a fool.

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Quote (Ryanrules @ Jun 18 2017 10:29pm)
The math is not off based on the character's current stats. I assure you it is correct


Forget the stats, that is the conflicting issue in your post. The 2 items I posted are on the same character that has the exact same stats and the outcome is the same.
Now if you are talking about the difference of 2 different characters, you are correct, but, you state that there is no difference. Test it out... even if they are just white
items of different tier level placed on the same toon.

Re Edit: taking the maths from the Ladder Slasher information, i.e. Swords (base damage), the maths point out differently to what you have stated.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jun 18 2017 03:35am
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Quote (izParagonzi @ 18 Jun 2017 10:26)
Interesting formula, now let us take it from Base stats:

Level 40 (XI) Sword = 11-110 Base damage * 1.22 = 13.42 (rounded down to 13) to 134.20 (rounded down to 134)
Level 45 (XII) Sword = 12-120 Base Damage.
... So the difference is: +1 minimum damage to +14 maximum damage using the equation of 22% as a comparison from level 40 (Tier11) to level 45 (Tier12) item.

Now 20% difference between the same Tier level base damage:
Level 40 (XI) Sword = 11-110 Base damage * 1.20 = 13.20 (rounded down to 13) to 132.00 (rounded down to 132)
Level 45 (XII) Sword = 12-120 Base damage.
... So the difference is: +1 minimum damage to +13 maximum damage using the equation of 20% as a comparison from level 40 (Tier11) to level 45 (Tier12) item.

Sorry, the maths you posted are off, just like this guy in this quote below:


The math is not off based on the character's current stats. I assure you it is correct
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Jun 18 2017 03:40am
Let's do a sword comparison based off of a Barb with base 60str/25dex stats

Level 40 sword 200%ee 60str/25dex = Damage: 52 to 521
Level 45 sword 175%ee 60str/25dex = Damage: 52 to 521
Level 50 sword 154%ee 60str/25dex = Damage: 52 to 521
Level 55 sword 136%ee 60str/25dex = Damage: 52 to 522 (could not replicate exact maximum damage on the 55)

25%ee difference
21%ee difference
18%ee difference

64%ee total difference 21.33% average difference

Again, the 20% is a rough estimate

Most new players are told to do every 10 levels, therefore if you do 20% more at t3/10/20/30/40/50 or 5/15/25/35/45/55 you will always have more damage with the 20%ee per tier rule of thumb

Will do one with 0str/0dex

40 @ 200%ee = Damage: 31 to 313
45 @ 175%ee = Damage: 31 to 313
50 @ 154%ee = Damage: 31 to 313
55 @ 136%ee = Damage: 31 to 313

25
21
18

21.33% average


This post was edited by Ryanrules on Jun 18 2017 03:45am
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Jun 18 2017 03:42am
Go to bed Rex, you're too drunk again
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Jun 18 2017 03:58am
Quote (Ryanrules @ Jun 18 2017 10:40pm)
Let's do a sword comparison based off of a Barb with base 60str/25dex stats

Level 40 sword 200%ee 60str/25dex = Damage: 52 to 521
Level 45 sword 175%ee 60str/25dex = Damage: 52 to 521
Level 50 sword 154%ee 60str/25dex = Damage: 52 to 521
Level 55 sword 136%ee 60str/25dex = Damage: 52 to 522 (could not replicate exact maximum damage on the 55)

25%ee difference
21%ee difference
18%ee difference

64%ee total difference 21.33% average difference

Again, the 20% is a rough estimate

Most new players are told to do every 10 levels, therefore if you do 20% more at t3/10/20/30/40/50 or 5/15/25/35/45/55 you will always have more damage with the 20%ee per tier rule of thumb

Will do one with 0str/0dex

40 @ 200%ee = Damage: 31 to 313
45 @ 175%ee = Damage: 31 to 313
50 @ 154%ee = Damage: 31 to 313
55 @ 136%ee = Damage: 31 to 313

25
21
18

21.33% average


You don't need to use Barbarian or stat points, you just need to take the Tier base damage and multiply the % difference.

Level 40 (XI) 11-110 * 1.20 = 20% versus Level 45 (XII) 12-120
Level 40 (XI) 13-132 Level 45 (XII) 12-120 = Difference of 1 to 12 dmg
Level 50 (XIII) 15-156 * 1.20 = 20% versus Level 55 (XIV) 14-140 = Difference of 1 to 16 dmg

Note: only using a 20% enhanced calculation from the BASE dmg of the weapon, NO stats involved, just check the tables here: http://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/index.php?g=3


Quote (SCXiao @ Jun 18 2017 10:42pm)
Go to bed Rex, you're too drunk again


Shhhh... only had like 2x 40oz

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jun 18 2017 04:00am
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Quote (izParagonzi @ 18 Jun 2017 10:58)
You don't need to use Barbarian or stat points, you just need to take the Tier base damage and multiply the % difference.

Level 40 (XI) 11-110 Level 45 (XII) 12-120 * 1.20 = 20%
Level 40 (XI) 13-132 Level 45 (XII) 12-120 = Difference of 1 to 12 dmg
Level 50 (XIII) 15-156 Level 55 (XIV) 14-140 = Difference of 1 to 16 dmg

Note: only using a 20% enhanced calculation from the BASE dmg of the weapon, NO stats involved, just check the tables here: http://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/index.php?g=3




Shhhh... only had like 2x 40oz


I did the base stats at 0/0 right under the barb base stats
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Jun 18 2017 04:09am
Quote (Ryanrules @ Jun 18 2017 11:00pm)
I did the base stats at 0/0 right under the barb base stats


Have you taken into effect the Prof? Mine is solely based on Weapons BASE damage and multiplied by X% enhanced effect. Maybe there is a difference also related to Ratio other than Critical Strike.

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Jun 18 2017 06:23am
The amount of ee changes the difference between the items as well..

if you compare a white lvl 50 with a 55 (weapon or armor or charm.. doesnt really matter)

you will see that you just need 8ee on a lvl 50 to have the same dmg than a lvl 55

lvl 50 with 8ee makes a lvl 55 --> 8ee difference

a lvl 50 with 116ee makes a lvl 55 with 100ee --> 16ee difference

a lvl 50 with 224ee makes a lvl 55 with 200ee --> 24ee difference



a tier 1 would need 100ee to be a white tier 2..
a tier 2 would need 50ee to be a white tier 3..
a tier 3 would need 34ee to be a white tier 4 and so on


prof will change the difference a bit since profs will always work better for the higher tier (if not capped)
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