in any society, you adapt.

option1: support the revolution cause your friends do
option2: get a cozy seat with the guys in power
(best) option3: get a cozy seat while secretly getting paid by CIA also

This post was edited by the_rest on Apr 20 2017 07:34am

How did that work out for Noriega?

Maduro is a corrupt bum that takes money from the rich to keep it for himself and his buddies. He's not a true socialist. Chavez was better, but still failed to establish a solid ground to build socialism on. He took inspiration in Revisionists rather than following the steps of the true socialist leaders of the 20th century.

Socialism hasn't had a success yet, so I won't give you this. Natural predisposition runs counter to it in humans. Maybe if you could program people you'd have better success.

Inb4 Scandinavia argument which is just highly taxed capitalism.

Dont forget Sean Penn and Oliver Stone, those two shitheads are hated a lot by the people here in Venezuela.




Because all the military high command MUST keep him in power or else they go to jail for drug traficking (they are the biggest drug lords in this country) or human rights violations, so they know if Maduro falls, they all go to jail. During the first years of Chavez the military was independent and they knew early on Chavez was step by step slowly installing a socialist dictatorship (what we have right now), so they tried to do something back in 2002 together with the opposition leadership but everything went to shit when Carmona Estanga and his people fucked it up on April 12th 2002 (the day after the people opposing Chavez went to the streets to overthrow Chavez), then the next day on April 13th, Chavez simpathizers/followers (who were a lot by that time) went to the streets too and so the military had to return Chavez into power. After that Chavez purged the whole military and put only puppets who happen to be the worst of the worst.

Quick summary of what happened:
April 11 2002, people opposing Chavez took to the streets in Caracas and headed to the presidential palace to overthrow him. A lot of deads forced the military (who were independent during those days) to intervene and remove Chavez from power.
April 12 2002, Carmona Estanga and his people fucked it up.
April 13 2002, Chavez supporters took to the streets too and also headed to the presidential palace to take down Carmona, so the military was forced to return Chavez to power.

After that, the military was purged and replaced by puppets who are all now into drug traficking and a lot of human rights violations. They will never give power peacefully I think, unless they make some amnesty pact/deal or something.

This post was edited by Golden_Order on Apr 20 2017 11:21am

Nono, scandinavia is Social-Democracy, just theres a little confusion on the west continent wheres everything related to "social" is associated to taxes and so on; violently communist... (or something without a name...)
Social-Democracy is the best model in the world, by far

Venezuela is a faked communism, or a even a faked Social-Democracy wrongly made, too fast, by probably uncompetent people.
Btw Chavez was a thief that put billions in his pockets... Maybe he started some good things (probably education, maybe healthcare, i dont know) on the other hand this thief also had some bad luck since his country fall due oil dependancy.

Social democracy is something that need to be applied slowly, progressively, by very competent people.

Theres a strong difference today with 70 or 80 years ago; computers. Meaning complex economic plans & predictions are maybe more possible.

Chavez was still a thief, and Maduro is just horrible.
Opposition will not help, Usa will not help.

Edit; Nb: sry english...

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 20 2017 11:23am

What is your distinction between communism and socialism?

are taxes socialist? i thought the word once had a different meaning but with the amount of times the words been used this way we should just accept that anything funded via tax dollars are part of socialist institutions

Are you just mad that france hasnt been remotely relevant for the past 80 years or what

Bow down to the king, baby

raging without any single argument and for mysterious reasons.. ?

probably a disease