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https://www.yahoo.com/news/michelle-obama-white-flight-yall-235359023.html

People left the South Side of Chi because crime is literally out of control. So much so that a normal weekend includes 20+ people being shot and a few deaths.

White people didn't leave specifically because black people moved in. They move because they don't want to live in a urban warzone - which is what most areas of South Chicago have become.

It's easier to race bait then to actually fix the problem. I'm glad she flew all the way in from her Multi Million dollar waterfront mansion on Martha's Vineyard to lecture on how bad whitey is.

What a joke.


White flight predates the surge in gang violence. Gang violence in Chicago specifically rose in the mid to late 80s. White Flight was an era post civil rights in the early to mid 70s.

Chicago is certainly a more diverse White Flight case than say, Cleveland, but white flight still predated gang violence. especially gang violence on the levels we see it now.

if you're not very familiar with White Flight you might want to research it, it is actually really interesting. Schools rezoned, the rise of gated communities, blockbusting, etc. All really interesting and well documented stuff.
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Quote (djman72 @ Oct 30 2019 04:17pm)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/michelle-obama-white-flight-yall-235359023.html

People left the South Side of Chi because crime is literally out of control. So much so that a normal weekend includes 20+ people being shot and a few deaths.

White people didn't leave specifically because black people moved in. They move because they don't want to live in a urban warzone - which is what most areas of South Chicago have become.

It's easier to race bait then to actually fix the problem. I'm glad she flew all the way in from her Multi Million dollar waterfront mansion on Martha's Vineyard to lecture on how bad whitey is.

What a joke.


From what I read online the South Side was heavily segregated from the early 20th century already. The white flight started because black people fled the South during the Great Migration and settled in the Northwest/Midwest/West. They lived in the South Side because it was very blue-collar, with lots of jobs from industry. The Black Belt arose from discriminatory real estate practices by whites against blacks and other racial groups.

It's pretty unfair to characterize it as a recent problem when the history goes more than a century back. And white people did leave because black people moved in. Note that before the influx of black migrants, there was already a gang presence in the South Side that came from the white immigrants.

http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/497.html

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By the 1880s a thriving gang scene developed in Bridgeport and Back of the Yards on the South Side. Several large Irish gangs, such as the Dukies and the Shielders, exerted a powerful influence on the street life around the stockyards, raiding peddlers, robbing men leaving work, fighting among themselves, and terrorizing the German, Jewish, and Polish immigrants who settled there from the 1870s to the 1890s. These gangs fought constantly among themselves, but they united as the “Mickies” to battle black gangs to the east. During this period, gangs became entrenched in the patronage networks of ward machines. In Irish communities, the sponsorship of gangs by politicians and businessmen transformed them into “athletic clubs” like the Hamburg Club, Ragen's Colts, and the Old Rose Athletic Club. Based in saloons and clubhouses, and often claiming the membership of over a hundred men ranging from their late teens to early thirties, these clubs ensured the elections of their patrons by stuffing ballot boxes and intimidating voters.

By the early twentieth century, Polish and Italian gangs were the most numerous in Chicago. Polish gangs located in the “Pojay” colony on the Northwest Side battled rival Polish groups across the river in the Bucktown area and southward, where a different Polish gang occupied every block of Milwaukee Avenue down to the industrial area along the Chicago River. These gangs also engaged in territorial skirmishes with Italian gangs of the “Little Sicily” neighborhood to their south. Usually identifying themselves by streets that served as hangouts, several of these Italian gangs reportedly had connections with “Black Hand” syndicates.

The involvement of Ragen's Colts in the race riot of 1919 established a pattern of white ethnic gang behavior that would affect the course of race relations in Chicago through the 1950s. Organized by Democratic alderman Frank Ragen of Canaryville, this gang attacked African Americans residing in a nearby Black Belt neighborhood after African American votes had helped lift Republican “Big Bill” Thompson to victory in the municipal elections. Taking names like the Shielders and the Boundary Gang, white gangs patrolled the “color line” through the 1930s. These activities intensified with the accelerated migration of black southerners during World War II, prompting the Mayor's Commission on Human Relations in 1946 to establish a Juvenile Bureau to investigate the role of youth groups in anti-black violence.


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The original South Side Black Belt formed in response to external pressures, including discriminatory real-estate practices and the threat of violence in adjoining white neighborhoods. By the 1950s, the Chicago Housing Authority's (CHA) project-siting practices further contributed to the concentration of African Americans in the old South Side Black Belt and in a second band of neighborhoods on the city's West Side. Since the 1970s, the withdrawal of major industries and other employers from Chicago's inner-city neighborhoods has resulted in a degree of economic indigence and racial segregation that has yielded a new term for very poor, inner-city African American neighborhoods: hyperghettos.
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Oct 30 2019 09:47am
Quote (thesnipa @ 30 Oct 2019 11:33)
White flight predates the surge in gang violence. Gang violence in Chicago specifically rose in the mid to late 80s. White Flight was an era post civil rights in the early to mid 70s.

Chicago is certainly a more diverse White Flight case than say, Cleveland, but white flight still predated gang violence. especially gang violence on the levels we see it now.

if you're not very familiar with White Flight you might want to research it, it is actually really interesting. Schools rezoned, the rise of gated communities, blockbusting, etc. All really interesting and well documented stuff.

white flight is a dynamic subject yes - the irony is that the person linked in the article complaining about these facets owns a multi-million dollar house in one of the most prestigious gated communities in America (let alone DC), and in now has a sprawling mansion in an even more exclusive community that has naturally occurring gates (water) preventing the 'lessers' from infiltrating

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white flight is a dynamic subject yes - the irony is that the person linked in the article complaining about these facets owns a multi-million dollar house in one of the most prestigious gated communities in America (let alone DC), and in now has a sprawling mansion in an even more exclusive community that has naturally occurring gates (water) preventing the 'lessers' from infiltrating


Yeah if only those uppity negroes would stay in their ghettos huh.

What'd you expect succesfull black people to do? Just give up on scaling the social ladder?
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Oct 30 2019 03:28pm
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Yeah if only those uppity negroes would stay in their ghettos huh.

What'd you expect succesfull black people to do? Just give up on scaling the social ladder?

your words not mine

id expect any successful person not to decry fleeing an area for greener pastures when they do the same. we’re all happy they’re both successful lets not pretend they didnt do the same thing
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your words not mine

id expect any successful person not to decry fleeing an area for greener pastures when they do the same. we’re all happy they’re both successful lets not pretend they didnt do the same thing


It's not a very fair comparison when the majority of black people had no way of fleeing the poverty and increases in crime (by way of the discriminatory laws of the past). And there's no denying that a large part of white flight is simply to be attributed to the fact that a lot of white people at the time didn't want to be anywhere near black people.

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not a link specifically more of an open question that's not worthy of a thread.

How many female teachers do you think per year are convicted of sexual contact with students compared to how many we see in the news?

it seems like we've had like 20 hot teachers in recent years get busted and made national news.

so just for discussion, if 20 is the number of hot teachers caught, what would be your guess of the # of female (only female for simplicity's sake) total in america over that same time period?

20 not hot ones? 100 not hot ones? 1000? how many teachers are the media not reporting on because they aren't hot enough to make grown men quietly mutter "nice".
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Nov 3 2019 09:03am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 30 2019 10:33am)
White flight predates the surge in gang violence. Gang violence in Chicago specifically rose in the mid to late 80s. White Flight was an era post civil rights in the early to mid 70s.

Chicago is certainly a more diverse White Flight case than say, Cleveland, but white flight still predated gang violence. especially gang violence on the levels we see it now.

if you're not very familiar with White Flight you might want to research it, it is actually really interesting. Schools rezoned, the rise of gated communities, blockbusting, etc. All really interesting and well documented stuff.


It's not a phenomena that happened and is no longer happening. White flight has started ticking up in the mid to late 2000s in my neighborhood. It's an ongoing phenomena. When i moved here all of my neighbors were white, now literally all of my neighbors are black besides some white crackheads and this old guy and his wife.
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