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Nov 25 2021 04:15pm
it would be cool that maxroll.gg would use the new IAS formula

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would that be an fairly optimal setup for the 90%ias Tomb Reaver?

- Appreciate any help and suggestions
- I know this is dream Equipment and especially the helm is pretty impossible, but i like big goals to work /farm for :)

I am really not sure what is the best setup with the new IAS changes?

Thanks in Advance!

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Nov 27 2021 07:42am
Are there any 1h weapons (aside from crazy 40ias 2 socket rares or 6 shael PB etc.) that can realistically and efffectively do 3frame fury currently?
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Nov 27 2021 11:29am
Quote (ParagonAX @ Nov 27 2021 08:42am)
Are there any 1h weapons (aside from crazy 40ias 2 socket rares or 6 shael PB etc.) that can realistically and efffectively do 3frame fury currently?


you could base your options off the findings in previous post

Quote (oscarmk @ Nov 24 2021 12:09pm)
I did some more testing with it using lvl 40 werewolf and 70% equipment IAS. I tested both a 100% wias and a 90% wias tomb reavers.

As per calculator 3.4 speed can be achieved with 90% wias + 38 WW + 70% eias. Testing this I did not see a visual diference in the first frame of the attack between 4.2 and 3.4, the following frames seem faster, but it is really hard to tell. I am not convinced 3.4 means 3 frames, but it is very fast that’s for sure, it is just really hard to tell visually.

I also tried the 100% tomb which got me to 3.2, in this one I can easily see the first frame is faster, following frames seem 3 frames, but again it is so fast it is hard to tell a difference, I used a 144 hz monitor for the test, but it is very hard to tell.

Anyway with this in mind I bought a 280% non eth tomb reaver, and was planning to go for 3x ed/ias which if perfect equal 400% ed, versus a implied 420% ed in a shaelshael perfect eth tomb reaver, only 45% eias is required for 3.2 in this case, and 50% at 100%, which might only be relevant if using a 45 ias helm, then can use any glove and amulet.

Anyone know exactly what 3.4 and 3.2 speed mean in the calculator?


Level 38 WW you probably need +9 SS skillers or something crazy. I'd rather use AR/Max dmg/life charms


BOTD phase blade would be 90ias (60ias from runeword and -30 base weapon ias)
Griswold's Cacadeus with 2X sheal or 3 15ias/ed

Rare weapon with ias



Unless you somehow figure out a way for even more off-hand ias (you'd probably want to test this before investing in gear)
Treachery is +45ias (or 4Xi15ias plate with life)
Highlords +20
20IAS CB gloves
=85ias

+15ias in a helm would be +100ias
Then you might be able to lower the weapon ias requirement. Seems like a lot to sacrifice though

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Nov 27 2021 11:33am
Quote (ParagonAX @ Nov 27 2021 07:42am)
Are there any 1h weapons (aside from crazy 40ias 2 socket rares or 6 shael PB etc.) that can realistically and efffectively do 3frame fury currently?



Botd phase blade can definitely do it, but dmg will be quite low. Any 45% ias rare phase eth with 300 ed fools can do it too, but those are rare, however before this you needed 70% ias rare phase blade which was nearly impossible to find
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Dec 3 2021 12:08pm
I believe IAS has been patched back to "normal" now :(
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Yeah mine doesnt hit 3frame anymore, rip.
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Quote (Borda @ Dec 3 2021 07:08pm)
I believe IAS has been patched back to "normal" now :(


Ias has always been same.
But eias cap has been patched back to 75, which sucks.
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Quote (Borda @ Dec 3 2021 06:08pm)
I believe IAS has been patched back to "normal" now :(


yes shapers are too strong and destroy every other class so this was a much needed patch, thanks blizzard.
meanwhile, over in the assassin house "unblockable kicks and now your traps also follow you, sothat you are never alone and always in good company".

staying on topic ~

Quote (gel87 @ Dec 4 2021 10:27am)
Ias has always been same.
But eias cap has been patched back to 75, which sucks.


Does off weapon IAS work differently in D2r vs D2 ? or is off weapon IAS absolutely useless | the patch did what exactly in this regard ?
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Quote (ferdia @ Dec 5 2021 01:23am)
yes shapers are too strong and destroy every other class so this was a much needed patch, thanks blizzard.
meanwhile, over in the assassin house "unblockable kicks and now your traps also follow you, sothat you are never alone and always in good company".

staying on topic ~



Does off weapon IAS work differently in D2r vs D2 ? or is off weapon IAS absolutely useless | the patch did what exactly in this regard ?


Its works the excact same in both now that they implemented back the 75EIAS CAP.

Shapers:
Shapers has 1 human animation speed and 1 shaped animation speed, both are handeled when it comes to calculating attack speed.
So here we need to use full formula. The human shape makes a change in AnimSpeed.

Frames pr Direction and AnimRate:
AnimRate & WeponBase: Ref. https://www.mannm.org/d2library/faqtoids/animspeed.html
So AnimRate here does vary by wep and class. Usually animrate is 256, but it may differ, like forexample assa with claw/claws its 208.
WSM IS INVERTED IN THIS FORMULA!!!! (WSM * -1) prior to using it.

NeutralFrame(NU):
NU WereWolf: 9
NU WereBear: 10

Werebases:
- For the wolf and bear forms the A1 (right paw swing)and A2 left paw swing) sequence are their normal attack length WereBear=12, WereWolf=13.
- For the S3 sequence (biting attack animation) the lengths are WereBear=10, WereWolf=10. (sound of bear is 13 ^^)
- (MadeUpWord-->)AnimRate1 = 100, unless chilled where it becomes 50. Im unsure about how the rest of the slow acts, if it's directly subtract to AnimRate1, or if it is a subtract to WSM or SIAS.
Anyway, it should work the same. But if max slow ammount is 100(chilled + 50% from either skills(golem/hf) or items(Gleglaws etc). If the total ammount of slow can be more than 100, then i would assume
that: Chilled subtracts to AnimRate1, SkillSlow Subtracts to SIAS, ItemSlow subtracts to WSM. And that each is max 50%. But this is just guesses, hope some1 can explain me the max values of slow.

Shape Formulas:
Delay = [256*(WeaponBase) / [(weapon ias+wsm+100)*AnimRate/100]]
Anim speed = [NU * 256 / delay]
EIAS = IF([120 * ias / (120 + ias) + skill ias + wsm]>75;75;[120 * ias / (120 + ias) + skill ias + wsm]) /// (IAS is both wep and gear as usual formula, Added the excel IF formula to have 75EIAS CAP here)
FramesSerial = ({256*7/[(AnimRate1 + Speed increase)/100*Anim speed]}
Frames WolfPaw = {256*13/[(AnimRate1 + Speed increase)/100*Anim speed]}- 1
Frames Biting = {256*10/[(AnimRate1 + Speed increase)/100*Anim speed]}- 1
Frames BearPaw = {256*12/[(AnimRate1 + Speed increase)/100*Anim speed]}- 1

* Fury use FramesSerial for his 4 first attacks, then WolfPaw for the last attack.
* AnimRate for Werewolf/Werebear is not listed as 256, but we use 256. AnimRate for human shape we use the listed for AnimRate and WeponBase.
Example: Assa Wielding a claw: AIA1HT1 -- WeponBase(Frames pr direction) 11 -- AnimRate 208.

Below examples are now nerfed by 75 EIAS cap:
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* Formula with example(fury druid, using eth tomb reaver 100ias(10 WSM which becomes -10 in formula), lvl 33 werewolf(75 SIAS), 10 gear ias(not needed for breakpoint) :
Delay = [256*(17) / [(100+-10+100)*256/100]] = 8
Anim speed = [9 * 256 / 8] = 288
Speed increase/EIAS = [120 * 110 / (120 + 110)] + 75 + -10 = 122 (this would be 75 in d2lod)
FramesSerial = {256*7/[(100 + 122)/100*288]} = 3
FramesPaw = {256*13/[(100 + 122)/100*288]}- 1 = 5
Resulting in a 3/3/3/3/5 frame attack.
25/3 = 8,33 attacks pr sec
25/5 = 5 attacks pr sec
(8,33*4+5)/5 = 7,66 attacks pr sec.

* Formula with example(Bear Assassin, using Runic Claw 100ias(-30 WSM which becomes 30 in formula), lvl 36 Bos(57 SIAS) + lvl 15fana merc (33 SIAS) + 140 GearIas:
Delay = [256*(11) / [100+30+100)*208/100]] = 5
Anim speed = [10 * 256 / 5] = 512
Speed increase/EIAS = [120 * 240 / (120 + 240)] + 90 + 30 = 200 (this would be 75 in d2lod)
Frames BearPaw = {256*12/[(208 + Speed increase)/100*Anim speed]}- 1 = 1 FRAME! 25 attacks pr second. On regular D2LOD this would be 3 frames.


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This post was edited by gel87 on Dec 5 2021 04:34am
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