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Quote (Hizkuntza @ Sep 18 2021 03:05pm)
At this point Petey and Hughes will probably get bridges that will take up the rest of the cap room.

In 2-3 years it will be logistically impossible to retain a lot of the core without major trades.

Next season, maybe we retain Boeser and Motte with Lu off the books but there's no room for additions and the team is still deeply flawed. Only Podz and Rathbone figure to contribute ELC's, if even that.

Then Miller/Horvat will need raises and term if they're to be retained, and that might coincide with the Hughes/Petey bridges. If Hoglander keeps impressing he will also need a decent payday. There will still be a year left on Myers/Pearson and too many on OEL. That's when the wheels WILL come off - you're talking an extra +10 million at the margin and there's no room unless the cap increases a lot.

Teams know the big caps are immovable, and Benning never thinks a year ahead. No one will be traded when their return can still be maximized. Most likely Miller walks and Boeser gets traded more like a cap dump than a valuable player. Because of all the trades no one will come remotely close to filling the gap they will leave behind.

So our "window" is only two seasons. The team can barely play defense and doesn't stand to get any better. We're basically asking Demko to be our Giguere to get anywhere because Green is not the guy to get the team to play a rigid structure.

/e and it's ridiculous we essentially lost last season because of Benning's bad contracts, then he decides to "salvage" this year by mortgaging 2-3 years into the future. the clown knows he's gone if he misses the playoffs now, and the clown owner is just as shortsighted.


Benning has been a yes man from the beginning. Meddling ownership is always going to compromise any GM or other pertinent roles in office. If you don't play by the Aquilini's playbook you are out of the organization.

The thing is even with all these mistakes I see the Canucks being a playoff team. The organization has managed to draft well but in terms of asset/cap management it is a total joke.

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Quote (Hizkuntza @ 18 Sep 2021 15:05)
At this point Petey and Hughes will probably get bridges that will take up the rest of the cap room.

In 2-3 years it will be logistically impossible to retain a lot of the core without major trades.

Next season, maybe we retain Boeser and Motte with Lu off the books but there's no room for additions and the team is still deeply flawed. Only Podz and Rathbone figure to contribute ELC's, if even that.

Then Miller/Horvat will need raises and term if they're to be retained, and that might coincide with the Hughes/Petey bridges. If Hoglander keeps impressing he will also need a decent payday. There will still be a year left on Myers/Pearson and too many on OEL. That's when the wheels WILL come off - you're talking an extra +10 million at the margin and there's no room unless the cap increases a lot.

Teams know the big caps are immovable, and Benning never thinks a year ahead. No one will be traded when their return can still be maximized. Most likely Miller walks and Boeser gets traded more like a cap dump than a valuable player. Because of all the trades no one will come remotely close to filling the gap they will leave behind.

So our "window" is only two seasons. The team can barely play defense and doesn't stand to get any better. We're basically asking Demko to be our Giguere to get anywhere because Green is not the guy to get the team to play a rigid structure.

/e and it's ridiculous we essentially lost last season because of Benning's bad contracts, then he decides to "salvage" this year by mortgaging 2-3 years into the future. the clown knows he's gone if he misses the playoffs now, and the clown owner is just as shortsighted.


Petey will get a bridge, and Hughes will get term. There's no way boeser would be traded as a cap dump even if there was cap issues. That just makes no sense lol. He's also still a rfa, he will most likely make 7.5-8m depending on how he does this season. Horvat will also be in that range based on his comparables. Motte isn't gonna cost 3m+ or he should definitely be gone and replaced with Lockwood.

The Canucks still have Ferland 3.5m to utilize for the next 2 seasons. Cap is already starting to go up too, there should be enough cap to lock up the core and the remaining space should be used towards depth. Which is good since depth can be signed for depth prices, especially if the Canucks starts to win and they no longer have to give out term and money to join them.

It's shitty Benning made a risky move, but I gotta give him credit for pulling it off by acquiring garland and oel and dumping dead contracts, all while acquiring insane depth for AHL in case of injuries. Never have I imagined he coulda got a top 6 forward and a top 4 dman this off season. I think it's far more risky if the team played another meaningless season, cuz a lot of players were getting tired of losing, like horvat, miller and even edler. With Petey comments too. Even if Benning decided to ride out the last yr of dead contracts, looking at the FA pool, there's really nobody worth signing for through FA either and it would also be a huge overpayment cuz teams trash.

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Petey will get a bridge, and Hughes will get term. There's no way boeser would be traded as a cap dump even if there was cap issues. That just makes no sense lol. He's also still a rfa, he will most likely make 7.5-8m depending on how he does this season. Horvat will also be in that range based on his comparables. Motte isn't gonna cost 3m+ or he should definitely be gone and replaced with Lockwood.

The Canucks still have Ferland 3.5m to utilize for the next 2 seasons. Cap is already starting to go up too, there should be enough cap to lock up the core and the remaining space should be used towards depth. Which is good since depth can be signed for depth prices, especially if the Canucks starts to win and they no longer have to give out term and money to join them.

It's shitty Benning made a risky move, but I gotta give him credit for pulling it off by acquiring garland and oel and dumping dead contracts, all while acquiring insane depth for AHL in case of injuries. Never have I imagined he coulda got a top 6 forward and a top 4 dman this off season. I think it's far more risky if the team played another meaningless season, cuz a lot of players were getting tired of losing, like horvat, miller and even edler. With Petey comments too. Even if Benning decided to ride out the last yr of dead contracts, looking at the FA pool, there's really nobody worth signing for through FA either and it would also be a huge overpayment cuz teams trash.


the team is going to be hard strapped two years from now. not that Boeser won't have value but him and Miller will be the odds one out - Miller will walk and we'll have to shop Boeser like Tampa did with Miller/Johnson/Gourde - do recall only one of those even had trade value.

and Benning always looks to overpay depth UFAs every offseason, this time around being Poolman. there will be no cap flexibility even if it goes up - unless it's by a LOT.

do you know what would've renewed morale? if the incompetent people running this team were fired and the owner made a commitment to succeeding with the current core instead of paying last year's debt with credit cards. mortgaging the future for a declining defenseman on an albatross contract doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

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the team is going to be hard strapped two years from now. not that Boeser won't have value but him and Miller will be the odds one out - Miller will walk and we'll have to shop Boeser like Tampa did with Miller/Johnson/Gourde - do recall only one of those even had trade value.

and Benning always looks to overpay depth UFAs every offseason, this time around being Poolman. there will be no cap flexibility even if it goes up - unless it's by a LOT.

do you know what would've renewed morale? if the incompetent people running this team were fired and the owner made a commitment to succeeding with the current core instead of paying last year's debt with credit cards. mortgaging the future for a declining defenseman on an albatross contract doesn't exactly inspire confidence.


that declining defenseman is still a top 4 though, and the biggest thing from the trade is getting garland locked up to term on a friendly cap. OEL is not another eriksson literally being paid 6m for memes. He will provide a lot of value by sheltering for Hughes in tougher situations, and despite the drop off in the couple of years he was still on pace for 40pts and drives his own powerplay, which makes both our pp squad acceptable rather than going 90% pp1 since pp2 was useless.

The depth upfront is finally acceptable, no more sheltered 4c gaudette cosplaying 3c either.

Firing benning wouldn't renew morale at all, cuz even yzerman can't turn this team around with aquaman having a say in everything. There needs to be someone competent available first, and also willing to become aquaman's yes man 2.0 for that to happen. The competent ones won't bother to apply and aquaman will jsut hire another unproven, rookie gm like benning/gillis etc.


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Canucks recently hired Miles Hoaken. This kid was interested in analytics when he was 13yrs old, he realized that it was very realistic for analysts to get hired for hockey teams. He started to work for Queen's university team with successful results.

https://www.queensjournal.ca/story/2019-03-14/hockey/more-than-a-numbers-game/

His goal is to become a GM in the NHL. Looks like aquaman got his boy when Benning gets fired :rofl:

this kid also developed a tool called pick flipper, it determines how effective it is to trade down and get most value out of it.

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that declining defenseman is still a top 4 though, and the biggest thing from the trade is getting garland locked up to term on a friendly cap. OEL is not another eriksson literally being paid 6m for memes. He will provide a lot of value by sheltering for Hughes in tougher situations, and despite the drop off in the couple of years he was still on pace for 40pts and drives his own powerplay, which makes both our pp squad acceptable rather than going 90% pp1 since pp2 was useless.

The depth upfront is finally acceptable, no more sheltered 4c gaudette cosplaying 3c either.

Firing benning wouldn't renew morale at all, cuz even yzerman can't turn this team around with aquaman having a say in everything. There needs to be someone competent available first, and also willing to become aquaman's yes man 2.0 for that to happen. The competent ones won't bother to apply and aquaman will jsut hire another unproven, rookie gm like benning/gillis etc.


idk too much of this season is riding on OEL actually bringing value 22+ minutes a night and d-men in his position rarely get any better, and we're stuck with him for a looong time.

and while the forward squad looks OK remember we have negligible organizational depth. the infirmary gets busy and we're a lottery team.
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Would like to see Petey and Hughes locked up. Taking it right to the end is not a good look.
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Would like to see Petey and Hughes locked up. Taking it right to the end is not a good look.


Its been pretty normal, boeser and Horvat missed some time in camp before signing their contracts. I think Hughes contract is done, but it's being held up by Petey cuz they wanna make sure they sign his first or together to prevent an off chance another team offersheets petey

Quote (Hizkuntza @ 18 Sep 2021 23:55)
idk too much of this season is riding on OEL actually bringing value 22+ minutes a night and d-men in his position rarely get any better, and we're stuck with him for a looong time.

and while the forward squad looks OK remember we have negligible organizational depth. the infirmary gets busy and we're a lottery team.


We shouldn't expect oel to get better like he once was, cuz odds are heavily against it. What we should expect is getting 3 to 4 yrs of solid top 4 outta him and be better than edler losing his foot speed and Schmidt's disappointing season which I think is realistic.

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Sep 22 2021 01:34pm
Chiasson PTO

Not expecting much but it's a decent stab.

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Quote (LuLer @ Sep 22 2021 12:34pm)
Chiasson PTO

Not expecting much but it's a decent stab.


Ya. No harm in doing so.
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