Quote (Syoniss @ Jun 7 2011 06:36pm)
Since you didnt added it:
Beast can be used for max ias setup - used in War Spike or Caduceus will give @ least 10 ias more than ba.
Phoenix can be used it will give nice stacker + huge ed wich adds massive kick dmg (usefull legit absorb).
Its for non block sorc owning!
beast sucks for kicksins imo. doesn't raise damage all that much and personally I think BoS works out much better for w/s setups since you need to sidestep stuff so much and you already have dr and ways to stack res on w/s.
also for owning non block (or block) sorcs, why not just c/c? if they drop dead from beast+phoenix I can see them dropping dead from c/c as well.
Quote (Syoniss @ Jun 7 2011 09:07pm)
as i remeber right kick = range 1. @ least you could use beast ba ofc! but
look @ claws range + wizzy range eq.
yes, I already said: I like the guide but as i said - its a way for killing sorcs very eZ.
the differnce is that i reach max ias frame + rly heavy kick dmg, more than his setups show so far. (Looks like its mostly based on OW)
and i can answer you aswell because i have a kicker aswell >_> i dont feel an high importance of range because i tele lock always.
btw the wizzy idea for kicker is great i think i will put that on mine aswell.
kick range = weapon range.
doesn't really matter much since you use the weapons for the mods on it and doing teletalons you are at melee anyway.
and yes, wizzy is great. although it's damage is a bit lacking compared to fleshie or dweb vs most opponents. I used wizzy a lot early on but ended up using it just vs cold sorcs in the end.
Quote (Jackalkix @ Jun 7 2011 09:12pm)
can you explain why the 67 ias followup 2frame kick bp cant be reached?
the 2 frame followup was never possible. the rumor was due to some wrong ias charts by jrichard (who is god of assassin frame data) that he corrected later, but the rumor persists.
Quote (testic @ Jun 6 2011 09:19pm)
I disagree about LS.
heh, try it out for a while and you'll wonder how you ever played without it. it's really really good to mix up ls/wof in stunlocks. kinda natural to me having played LS trappers and using ls/wof mix on ghosts. I did start out with wof only on my early kicksin builds but really having both types of stun traps really helps. I highly advise you respec for that 1 point LS. it does wonders.
Quote (ranorn @ Jun 7 2011 09:47pm)
Atm it isnt worth a sticky
Lots of things its missing
Zietchiek linked me to a kicker guide at one point
It was perfect but unstickied for some reason
Why thank you. ^^
I think this guide is nice, I don't agree with everything 100% and I really really like 65fcr w/s options that aren't wizzy and testic doesn't mention those since he uses wizzy/65.
also some stuff he mentioned Im like "ehh, its really not that great" but then again I did have malice and other stuff stashed on my east nl kicksin build for the longest time. actually a lot of those items I ended up never using at the end I had stashed for a long while. Testic's stash setup kinda reminds me of what I had in my stash back ~5-6 years ago before I started playing around with "optimal" d2pk setups and bringing that knowledge to my east kicksin. a lot of the stash choices are kinda like "meh, its not really needed" and "this isn't really the best" but yet I used a lot of this stuff myself so it's definitely workable for bnet play if you are looking to just mess around and have fun vs players.
I do think this guide is lacking in some ways but its nice for people looking to build kicksins for casual pubbing.
needs 65fcr w/s setups, really should mention fools claw for c/c (ar bonus is not displayed on lcs), and really needs to say 20 hard points in mb, not "10+"
also I'd mention widow just cause I think it's really gawdlike on kicksins cause bowsins share the same build and gain benefits from kicksin weapon switching and help out with bad kicksins matchups, but that may just be me. <.<
also to remember, there are many variants of kicksins that are viable. this is but one person's build. same as mine is just my build. different players can find success with different build variants.
comparing this to his past guide, I think testic has grown as a player, and this guide shows it.
@testic: I think Im a bit less critical now since Im kinda out of d2 at this point, a few years ago I probably would have flamed you for every little thing I didn't agree with, but you have a fun build and even though I don't agree with all of it.. keep having fun with it.