Quote (ragnaroks @ Thu, 6 Mar 2008, 13:58)
Go ask Paul this part:
"From adding 60 strength on your 50 base str fighter, you can in practice add 120 ee on your mq weapon. That is a big difference, from believing those 60 strength adds"
Impossible, if it was true,
loads of people would do it, it increases 120 DAMAGE, thats XX% van of the perm link damage.
Going back to work, might discuss this later, just ask Paul to confirm it.
(Don't send him a wall of text)
Exactly why I am making these guides, to show exactly how useful strength is!
If the base damage of the weapon is 100, perm link damage is 300 with 200ee, and you get a 40% overall damage increase from strength (as in case 3 above), that is 40% of 300, making your damage 420. How is not those 120 extra damage from strength equal to 120% extra ee? (120 extra damage, base damage is 100, therefore 120 extra ee)
I'm telling you I've tried this so many times with different setups..
example.
my lvl 50 club 234 ee has 563 damage with 50 strength
my lvl 50 club 234 ee has 761 damage with 101 strength
That is a 761/563 = 1.3516 ~ 35,2 % damage increase (agreeing so far?)
If I were to get those 1.3516 damage increase
purily from ee, I would need to add alot of ee on my allready 234 ee.
How much ee do I need to make my 563 damage club make 761 damage?
761 dmg / ( 563 dmg / 3.34 ) = 761 / 563 * 3.34 = 4.515 ~
351.5 ee ( had to substract 100 of course which was base)
In other words, those 51 strength equals 351.5 - 234 = 117.5 ee !
Why is this so hard to believe? I keep calculating the same results over and over again. When I add 51 strength, my club 234 ee rises in dmg from 563 to 761. If I wanted my lvl 50 club to do that kind of damage without adding strength, I would need 351.5 ee on it.
I see why this is useful, since so many people voted the downmost option.
Will pm paul about this, hopefully he will give a reply
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edit: ulizeus, you're not correct either. If the formula you used is correct, (1.324):
using on my staff with perm damage (17-46)
1.324 * (17-46) = 22.5-60.9
the actual damage I got while adding 36 strength = 21-57
the damage i get from using my formula = 21.08-57.04
As you can see, your formula is wrong, while mine fits better.
The hidden factor (in your formula it is multiplied with strength only) is not where you say, but rather somewhere else.
Strength is as I say.
If I used your formula on my lvl 50 club I would get this damage from adding 51 strength: 563 * ( 1 + 101 * 0.009 ) / ( 1 + 50 * 0.009 ) = 741
If I use my own formula I get: 563 * ( 1 + 101 * 0.01 ) / ( 1 + 50 * 0.01 ) = 754.2
754.2 is much closer to 761, and you must see from both examples that my formula fits better.
So the 0.009 or 0.9 if you like must be somewhere else in the formula than with strength. Actually it may not even exist at all.
Anyways, do you agree that those 51 strength, gives me in effect ~117ee?
Edit: I would also like to add that the whole part about comparing strength to enhanced effect is not correct at all. It is better to think that strength increases your overall damage by: ( 100 + new strength ) / ( 100 + old strength )
This post was edited by Dragon_Reborn on Mar 6 2008 07:43am