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Apr 10 2026 04:53am
I read about binding demon needs a certain level?

which lvl and what for?

guides i found so far seem to have different opinions on that
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Apr 10 2026 06:42am
My opinion is that it requires lvl 30
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Apr 10 2026 07:08am
My opinion is that it requires lvl 30


I have the same opinion
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Apr 10 2026 07:17am
My opinion is that it requires lvl 30


I have the same opinion


and why/what for?

Do you summon the other demons or just bind hephaisto?

This post was edited by maGeneSs on Apr 10 2026 07:19am
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Apr 10 2026 07:35am
and why/what for?

Do you summon the other demons or just bind hephaisto?


Why?
Because I tried using the skill before lvl 30 but the game wouldn't allow me to put points in it :(

What for?
It gives you massive buffs, aura, curse, and a big bad guy that can tank indefinitely, removing aggro from you, while also dealing a good amount of dmg

Do you summon the other demons or just bind hephaisto?
With lvl 1-9 demonic mastery, no... only bind demon (doesn't need to be heph)
With lvl 10-19 demonic mastery, another demon
With lvl 20+ demonic mastery, 2 other demons

Prior to having enigma, consume is great cuz it also gives mobility. This means having 1 less demon and requires having at least lvl 10 demonic mastery.
Consume based on your main dmg:
goatman = phys
tainted = fire
defiler = magic

After obtaining enigma, almost all builds will prefer to stop using consume and use bind demon + 2 defilers instead.
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Apr 10 2026 07:37am
Why?
Because I tried using the skill before lvl 30 but the game wouldn't allow me to put points in it :(

What for?
It gives you massive buffs, aura, curse, and a big bad guy that can tank indefinitely, removing aggro from you, while also dealing a good amount of dmg

Do you summon the other demons or just bind hephaisto?
With lvl 1-9 demonic mastery, no... only bind demon (doesn't need to be heph)
With lvl 10-19 demonic mastery, another demon
With lvl 20+ demonic mastery, 2 other demons

Prior to having enigma, consume is great cuz it also gives mobility. This means having 1 less demon and requires having at least lvl 10 demonic mastery.
Consume based on your main dmg:
goatman = phys
tainted = fire
defiler = magic

After obtaining enigma, almost all builds will prefer to stop using consume and use bind demon + 2 defilers instead.


so 1 point into bind demon and some into mastery to make it lvl 20 with my +skills?

This post was edited by maGeneSs on Apr 10 2026 07:38am
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Apr 10 2026 07:40am
so my goal is to reach lvl 20 with base points + added from items?


I'd recommend reach lvl 20 after all +skills except BC from cta
because you don't want to lose a demon when it expires

Also, some builds using more +skills on main hand (like obsession, mang song) could also lose a demon when they switch to cta side.
If this is your case, you could use cta + splendor in a grimoire with +3 demonic mastery, for a total of +5 on swap
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I'd recommend reach lvl 20 after all +skills except BC from cta
because you don't want to lose a demon when it expires

Also, some builds using more +skills on main hand (like obsession, mang song) could also lose a demon when they switch to cta side.
If this is your case, you could use cta + splendor in a grimoire with +3 demonic mastery, for a total of +5 on swap


i see,

but lvl 20 counts for mastery, not the bind demon skill?
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Apr 10 2026 07:43am
What's you build?
I could give you a clear idea on how to spend your skill points
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What's you build?
I could give you a clear idea on how to spend your skill points


i dont have one yet..

waited till the market settles and i feel like i wanna try it now.. thought about the cheap insight version with phoenix and 75fcr for now
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