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Mar 16 2026 05:04pm
Hello, I have been so curious if the Warlock (Echoing Strike Build) would need a Sunder Charm? If so which one, because MAGIC IMMUNE enemies seem to take no damage unless I curse them with my demon? or maybe I'm imagining it.

So if Warlock (Echoing Strike) were to use a Sunder Charm, which one and what is the difference? Has anyone seen for example a physical sunder charm in action on an Echoing Strike build. Does top players of the game use a Sunder Charm? I really hope to get an answer. I usually "break" pshycial immunity by putting Lathergy Sigil under an enemy (I think that's how it works at least). :D

I'm just a chill guy who enjoys Warlock. I got mid gear running around with ETH INSIGHT and horazon's set and enjoying life, but I wonder if life would be better with a sunder charm... :)

This post was edited by Deathtome on Mar 16 2026 05:05pm
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Mar 16 2026 05:27pm
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Mar 18 2026 04:30am
Quote (Deathtome @ 17 Mar 2026 00:04)
Hello, I have been so curious if the Warlock (Echoing Strike Build) would need a Sunder Charm? If so which one, because MAGIC IMMUNE enemies seem to take no damage unless I curse them with my demon? or maybe I'm imagining it.

So if Warlock (Echoing Strike) were to use a Sunder Charm, which one and what is the difference? Has anyone seen for example a physical sunder charm in action on an Echoing Strike build. Does top players of the game use a Sunder Charm? I really hope to get an answer. I usually "break" pshycial immunity by putting Lathergy Sigil under an enemy (I think that's how it works at least). :D

I'm just a chill guy who enjoys Warlock. I got mid gear running around with ETH INSIGHT and horazon's set and enjoying life, but I wonder if life would be better with a sunder charm... :)



all u want is a cursed bound demon
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Mar 18 2026 12:46pm
Depends on what u do.

Just think about it like this, you want 2-3% more dmg overall from one more skiller or triple your dmg to immune monsters? Assuming we are talking about a -10% physical res renewed sunder.

Even with a cursed demon, their amplify will work at 1/5 on sundered enemies, so still worth it.

Not to mention that more phys dmg = more leech.


Me personaly, id say use a sunder but only when your are in endgame gear. A bit more raw dmg from an other skiller wont matter much, but the convienience of the sunder will.

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Mar 18 2026 01:19pm
Quote (Deathtome @ Mar 16 2026 06:04pm)
Hello, I have been so curious if the Warlock (Echoing Strike Build) would need a Sunder Charm? If so which one, because MAGIC IMMUNE enemies seem to take no damage unless I curse them with my demon? or maybe I'm imagining it.

So if Warlock (Echoing Strike) were to use a Sunder Charm, which one and what is the difference? Has anyone seen for example a physical sunder charm in action on an Echoing Strike build. Does top players of the game use a Sunder Charm? I really hope to get an answer. I usually "break" pshycial immunity by putting Lathergy Sigil under an enemy (I think that's how it works at least). :D

I'm just a chill guy who enjoys Warlock. I got mid gear running around with ETH INSIGHT and horazon's set and enjoying life, but I wonder if life would be better with a sunder charm... :)


Echoing strike is physical not magical

Plus if u just use Sigil Lethargy thats good at getting rid of immune to physicals
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Mar 18 2026 01:29pm
Thanks guys, I think I'm getting a physical sunder charm one day. :) Maybe it's not that important yet as I thought. Good to know. :)
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Mar 18 2026 03:03pm
Haven't found a single sunder charm yet, and I think it's not needed at all.
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Mar 18 2026 05:10pm
Quote (Snookee9 @ 19 Mar 2026 02:46)
Depends on what u do.

Just think about it like this, you want 2-3% more dmg overall from one more skiller or triple your dmg to immune monsters? Assuming we are talking about a -10% physical res renewed sunder.

Even with a cursed demon, their amplify will work at 1/5 on sundered enemies, so still worth it.

Not to mention that more phys dmg = more leech.


Me personaly, id say use a sunder but only when your are in endgame gear. A bit more raw dmg from an other skiller wont matter much, but the convienience of the sunder will.


-physical is batter then ED ?
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Mar 18 2026 05:31pm
Quote (Thehodl @ Mar 19 2026 01:10am)
-physical is batter then ED ?


Short answer is yes, -10% wins over 100%ed for both sundered and non sundered monsters.
For sundered ones it will, more or less, triple your dmg
For non sundered its very close but still better.

I guess people prefer the ed one because it shows huge dmg on the character screen
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Mar 18 2026 05:47pm
Quote (Snookee9 @ 19 Mar 2026 07:31)
Short answer is yes, -10% wins over 100%ed for both sundered and non sundered monsters.
For sundered ones it will, more or less, triple your dmg
For non sundered its very close but still better.

I guess people prefer the ed one because it shows huge dmg on the character screen


I agree. People believe that a cursed demon doesn't need to continue -physical.
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