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Apr 13 2026 01:46am
Hey guys since ES is getting gutted like crazy, I think it’s worth to take a look at cleave lock. Saw a few builds clear p8 almost as fast as es . Kinda like the concept of cleave + procs + eldtrich blast for clear and mirrored blades for single target/boss killer ^_^

I haven’t found much about the topic of ias when it comes to cleave, just know it’s very relevant and saw most people use grief PB cause of it.

Does anybody know how ias works on cleave ?

- What is maxspeed and is it reachable (or getting close) with a possible 2-handler build ?

- is weapon ias treated differently than off-weapon ias ?


I know that the range is actualy effected by the weapon.
For me something like toombreaver looks realy good . Big range 60 ias + with possible sockets.
Botd also seems great with its 60 ias. May want to put it into an base with good speed and range.

With an ias focus gear you can reach like 100+ ias without weapon . Putting two ias jewels in an eth toombreaver gives 90 ias on it.
Bind a demon with fanatism and you get even more.

So if weapon ias just works like normal ias on cleave you can get to ~ 200 ias with a two hander.

Has anyone build a cleave lock so far? Is it possible to get any decent animation with a 2 hander ?

Did anyone already figure out a bis weapon/setup? Or will it just be grief/phoenix since they nerf 2hand+ shield ?

I think the build has a lot potential for p8 farming as an actual meele build. Just feels awful to use a grief on a char that can just use a 2 hander in one hand :D would realy like to make this work :) fundaments of the build look realy good

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Apr 13 2026 01:51am
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Apr 13 2026 04:08am
Just saw that hex bane and cleave itself also give ias, around 30% each. For max ias 2 hander I would try to build something like this :

Weapon: 3os eth Toombreaver with : Zod , 2x 15ias/40ed —> 90 ias
Shield: Ars Dul Mephisto with 15/40 —> 15 ias
Helmet: hellwardens will with 15/40 —-> 35 ias
Chest: Enigma
Gloves: Loh—> 20 ias
Belt: Nosferatu (?) —> 10 ias , gheeds wager/arach can give 75 fcr bp easy if ias not needed here
Boots: gores
Amu: highlord —> 20 ias
Ring1: Fcr dualleech
Ring2: raven

Overall possible ias from gear with Eth toombreaver: 190

Cleave atack speed bonus: ~30
Hex atack speed bonus: ~ 30
Bind demon fanatism: 31 (tz96)

Overall ias: 281%

Can anyone tell me what frames I would end up with using that much ias and a toombreaver ?

Are there any working editors to test?




The build looks super solid to me. Cleave with a 4 range weapon has good aoe. Eldtrich blast being synergy to it AND hex bane gives actualy realy good magic damage, since cleave is awesome at proccing.

After nerfs , shields won’t work with 2 hand. But Ars dul mephistos gives great stats, 150 ed (with jewel), AR and ias with socket. The fcr on it makes the 75 bp easy to reach

It also boosts magic damage a lot . Hex bane has actual synergy’s maxed and eldtrich blast is used too, so magic actualy does a lot.

Hellwardens will gives a boost to magic damage as well as 20fcr and up to 35 ias with a socket.

If the ias on belt slot isn’t needed I would run gheeds whager with 15 + fcr. With this, Mephisto book hellwarden and a fcr/dualleech ring you will reach 75 fcr without swapping.


Just hard to build if I don’t know the exact ias breakpoints needed for specific frames.

Like if I need less ias , you could socket stone/ohm in weapon instead of 15/40s, maybe run gface instead of hellwarden etc.


Actual like the package of 2 hand + hellwarden + Mephisto + gheeds wager . Eld blast and hex bane are maxed with a synergy and those items give you like -36 enemy magic res , ias in helm and sockets for even more ias while only needing 10 more fcr from a ring for the 75 fcr breakpoint to Tele fast without switching

If max breakpoint is reached with less ias , botd or death will be better. Just impossible to look for bis weapon/build if I don’t know the frames I can reach with those options :mellow:

Is there any info on the actual cleave frames and ias I can’t find? Or is there a reliable way to test it?

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Apr 13 2026 04:18am
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Apr 13 2026 12:04pm
afaik there aren't ias calculators for cleave yet
From warren's ias calc:
> Note, I have not actually updated the calculator yet to 3.0. However, Warlock has the exact same breakpoints as Necromancer for casting, hit recovery, blocking, kicking barrels, and throwing weapons. Cleave and Mirrored Blades use hardcoded sequence skills, so until someone datamines this out of the code or bruteforces every single EIAS breakpoint, those skills won't be included.
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Apr 13 2026 12:18pm
afaik there aren't ias calculators for cleave yet
From warren's ias calc:
> Note, I have not actually updated the calculator yet to 3.0. However, Warlock has the exact same breakpoints as Necromancer for casting, hit recovery, blocking, kicking barrels, and throwing weapons. Cleave and Mirrored Blades use hardcoded sequence skills, so until someone datamines this out of the code or bruteforces every single EIAS breakpoint, those skills won't be included.


Thanks m8 , just found it, too. So there is no way to tell but testing somehow. Guess I will look at hero editors and load in some weapons I would consider for cleave and all kinds of combinations of ias gear .

Realy think cleave/mirrored blades has incredible P8 potential. But not knowing how much ias you need with different bases realy makes it awkward to build without loosing potential on your build….
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Apr 13 2026 02:01pm
Maxroll has recently updated their planner to show cleave ias breakpoints.
But this is maxroll, they’re known for making many mistakes.
So I wouldn’t base anything from what is shown there, yet it’s the only source of info I’ve seen so far about cleave’s breakpoints.

IMO, the real strength of cleave is rangeadder.
PB only has +1.
Cleave shines with +4 rangeadder weapons.
Using a 1-hander on a class that can use a 2-hander in 1 hand without diminished dmg (unlike barbs) would be an absurd choice anyway.

So something like a eBotd GPA could be amongst the best options.

That said…
Cleave may not be directly nerfed, but it is very severely affected by the changes to the demon tree.
Need 1/10/20 hard points in demon mastery to gain more demons.
Need 15 hard points in bind demon to be able to bind a unique, else you’ll only have 5% ctc amp on attack.
This is a major nerf, but if you can bind a unique with holy freeze at least he still has 5% ctc amp for each target hit by his pulse aura each 2 seconds.

Oh and also…
Eldritch blast sucks
Don’t use it.
You get all the leech you need already. That skill is just low dmg and it’s not a build with high fcr.
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Apr 13 2026 03:15pm
Maxroll has recently updated their planner to show cleave ias breakpoints.
But this is maxroll, they’re known for making many mistakes.
So I wouldn’t base anything from what is shown there, yet it’s the only source of info I’ve seen so far about cleave’s breakpoints.

IMO, the real strength of cleave is rangeadder.
PB only has +1.
Cleave shines with +4 rangeadder weapons.
Using a 1-hander on a class that can use a 2-hander in 1 hand without diminished dmg (unlike barbs) would be an absurd choice anyway.

So something like a eBotd GPA could be amongst the best options.

That said…
Cleave may not be directly nerfed, but it is very severely affected by the changes to the demon tree.
Need 1/10/20 hard points in demon mastery to gain more demons.
Need 15 hard points in bind demon to be able to bind a unique, else you’ll only have 5% ctc amp on attack.
This is a major nerf, but if you can bind a unique with holy freeze at least he still has 5% ctc amp for each target hit by his pulse aura each 2 seconds.

Oh and also…
Eldritch blast sucks
Don’t use it.
You get all the leech you need already. That skill is just low dmg and it’s not a build with high fcr.


Yeah the amp nerf hurts cleave a lot for sure. But free perma amp + a tank + an free aura for 1 point was absurd to begin with. No char should have such easy access to every Multiplikator possible .
It shouldn’t be normal to be able to stack every damage aura possible and amp without equipping anything for it yourself.


I totally agree with you that using a 1 hander on a class that just can use a 2 hander like that feels terrible.
Weapon range does a lot on cleave it seems so a fast 2 hander with big range looks the way to go. Botd in eth Giant thresher or toombreaver look like the best options for that. But it all depends on the ias needed.
Toombreaver could get 90 ias with 2 sockets. If we don’t need the ias , protectors stone 50 ed + ohm or Lo would deal crazy damage with max range .

Don’t know about eldtrich blast. But synergy’s are actualy great on cleave build;

The interesting part is that hex purge is a synergy to cleave AND eldtrich blast. Blast itself is a synergy to hex purge again.

That means eldtrich blast and hex purge get maxed anyway. hex purge will have a fully specced synergy , meaning it will be much stronger than on the es build. Eldtrich blast is just passive aoe on top.

The synergy’s give more damage than putting points into cleave itself. It would be enough to reach level 20 cleave with + skills for the 360 degree.

Compared to es you will have much more points left for the demon tree. You only need level 20 cleave and maxed synergy’s.
On Es you will have a hard time finding points for the demon tree. You need to cut your hex purge to actualy have enough points.

Cleave on the other hand has the same amount of synergy’s as ES but one of them is hex purge, wich was also maxxed on ES… So you don’t loose your hex purge, it’s even stronger since eldtrich blast is maxed and synergyses with hex purge.
Overall you will have to sacrifice a lot less than ES lock when investing in the demon tree.


When it comes to amp it will be a decision now, as it should be.
You could run dreadfang act 5 merc, last wish offhand for might aura.
Or reapers toll on merc, loosing pride .
Or maybe actualy equip reapers yourself.
I like that you actualy have to choose between damage buffs now and not just get every damage aura in the game AND Amp from a merc and a single skillpoint :rofl:


All in all Cleave is hurt less by needing more points in the demon tree. Amp nerf hurts but it was op as hell and shouldn’t be that easy to get anyway. Other than that I don’t realy see a big hit from the nerfs and bugfixes they announced :)

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Apr 13 2026 03:19pm
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Apr 13 2026 03:33pm
Yeah the amp nerf hurts cleave a lot for sure. But free perma amp + a tank + an free aura for 1 point was absurd to begin with. No char should have such easy access to every Multiplikator possible .
It shouldn’t be normal to be able to stack every damage aura possible and amp without equipping anything for it yourself.


I totally agree with you that using a 1 hander on a class that just can use a 2 hander like that feels terrible.
Weapon range does a lot on cleave it seems so a fast 2 hander with big range looks the way to go. Botd in eth Giant thresher or toombreaver look like the best options for that. But it all depends on the ias needed.
Toombreaver could get 90 ias with 2 sockets. If we don’t need the ias , protectors stone 50 ed + ohm or Lo would deal crazy damage with max range .

Don’t know about eldtrich blast. But synergy’s are actualy great on cleave build;

The interesting part is that hex purge is a synergy to cleave AND eldtrich blast. Blast itself is a synergy to hex purge again.

That means eldtrich blast and hex purge get maxed anyway. hex purge will have a fully specced synergy , meaning it will be much stronger than on the es build. Eldtrich blast is just passive aoe on top.

The synergy’s give more damage than putting points into cleave itself. It would be enough to reach level 20 cleave with + skills for the 360 degree.

Compared to es you will have much more points left for the demon tree. You only need level 20 cleave and maxed synergy’s.
On Es you will have a hard time finding points for the demon tree. You need to cut your hex purge to actualy have enough points.

Cleave on the other hand has the same amount of synergy’s as ES but one of them is hex purge, wich was also maxxed on ES… So you don’t loose your hex purge, it’s even stronger since eldtrich blast is maxed and synergyses with hex purge.
Overall you will have to sacrifice a lot less than ES lock when investing in the demon tree.


When it comes to amp it will be a decision now, as it should be.
You could run dreadfang act 5 merc, last wish offhand for might aura.
Or reapers toll on merc, loosing pride .
Or maybe actualy equip reapers yourself.
I like that you actualy have to choose between damage buffs now and not just get every damage aura in the game AND Amp from a merc and a single skillpoint :rofl:


All in all Cleave is hurt less by needing more points in the demon tree. Amp nerf hurts but it was op as hell and shouldn’t be that easy to get anyway. Other than that I don’t realy see a big hit from the nerfs and bugfixes they announced :)


Dude I made it convoluted :D

What I wanted to say is : cleave synergy’s are kinda cool

1. one of them is hex purge, wich was maxed on Es build before even without beeing a synergy

2. the second synergy is actualy a synergy to cleave and Hex purge itself, eldtrich blast

3. the third is mirrored blades wich will actualy be used on this build compared to ES and is a crazy good boss killer (like lightning strike on Java )

—-> same amounts of synergy’s as ES but one is a hex , wich you would want anyway and it’s stronger than on ES
2 of our maxxed synergy’s just add passive damage procs and will help a good amount with aoe.

Compared to es you can keep your hex and it’s even improved.

Cleave doesn’t even need to be maxed , giving even more points for the demon tree

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Apr 13 2026 03:33pm
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Apr 25 2026 03:59am
Bump

Anyone tried BOTD Giant thresher or Toombreaver on cleave yet ?
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Anyone tried BOTD Giant thresher or Toombreaver on cleave yet ?


Not tried anything, but looks fun for pvp.
A Eth rare giant tresher with:
450ed -> 540
250ar
40ias -> 55
5ctc amp
self rep
(socet 15ias/40ed + bone break jewel)

I set up something in planner, but cant find a link to share it. But iits 21k ar on the attack, 5ctc amp, 8x% Crit, 13fpa if maxroll is correct

Rare giant tresher 55ias + phoenix(statted extra dex for stormshield mb) and can use spirit for fcr
Coa Cham + 15ias/15@ /// visio helm with fcr or just a horazons for easy...
2 x nice fcr rings
Gheeds wager belt
Horazons gloves and boots
Enigma
Cta + spirit offhand.

Consume 1 goatman, have 1 tained active.

This post was edited by gel87 on Apr 26 2026 03:42am
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Apr 26 2026 04:29am
Tried some hero editor stuff for cleave lock.

Tried all kind of combinations with different weapons:

hellwardens will with/without 15 ias jewel
Meph book with/without 15 ias jewel

Loh
Highlords

Also tried Horazon gloves + boot combination for 10 more ias
With/without Nosferatus
With/without fanatism aura

Weapons I tried:

War pike botd
Giant thresher BOTD

Toombreaver with 2x15 ias/2x shael/15 ias+ shael/ shael+ stone/ 15 ias + stone

Death in decapitator
Death in glorious axe (4range)
Death in champion axe (3range but great base speed)

Results:

With fanatism I reached the same atackspeed with every weapon but death in glorious axe/decapitator

The winner for me was death in champion axe. With fanatism I reached the same speed like botd/toombreaver. With its 50 cb/ds that seems to be the best option with a 2 hander as long as you can get fana aura on demon.

That said, all weapons felt super bad compared to grief.

Grief is just way faster… and since you can not run phoenix with a 2 hander after patch, I‘m sure grief is by far the strongest setup.

With a pride/might merc , grief phoenix , highlord gores p8 melted like crazy. Didn’t try tz but in some fast cs/Baal runs I oneshot everything with a single cleave.

With phoenix you don’t get 75 fcr on main slot

Might try something like this next:

Enigma
Grief
Hellwardens will with protector stone
Mephisto book
Gore rider
Loh
Gheeds wager
Highlords
Ravenfrost
Dualleech fcr ring

This gives you:

Max ias
75 fcr
~ 80% crit
Max atackspeed
-35 enemy magic res for hex bane + eld blast

Using Mephisto (with ed jewel) instead of phoenix gives 250 less ed but gives the 75 fcr breakpoint with ease also 2 skills atackrating and the magic res penalty.

Since we reach far beyond 1k ed even without phoenix this might be the smoothest cleave setup .

Second highest fcr breakpoint , leech , max atackspeed .


The damage realy was surprisingly high at p8 . With the right setup this might be a super strong build even after the nerfs on ptr.
Bosses just melt like nothing with mirrored blades and cleave+ hex + eld blast aoe was awesome. Ar with maxed hex and gear I mentioned was awesome, too. Used eld skillers and just the bottom Collum for 3/20/20s

Seems to be slept on but this build seemed insanely strong even on p8

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