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May 29 2013 10:09am
Stick with foi+atma's for a week or two, then switch to faith+hl and try to duel the same chars. See what happens.
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May 29 2013 11:46am
Quote (Ghnami @ May 29 2013 11:13am)
Trouble is, if it's a stream of arrows, one amp proc means about 2-3 arrows with amp damage, which means 1-2 crit and get quadruple damage. Imo that burst dps is totally worth it.


Good duelists don't get hit by 3 arrows in a row
They teleport away when they see an amp proc
Upon this, 33% proc means that it is reliable (1/3 arrows will make the proc happen, when you want it to)
5/100 arrow on Atmas ISN'T GOING TO WORK 95/100 hits

What are you not understanding about this?
Not to mention how important 30 FRW is, bugged or not
FRW is what what allows an Amazon to survive, go figure



Quote (ViperClaw @ May 29 2013 12:07pm)
sry to say your totally clueless first off cats is a BIG NN since it's bugged frw which means it just ruins your frw sync (same thing goes for 30frw on circlet/diadem and seing as I use 3/100life I get a nice life boost from that while maintaining high damage+ias - but as mentioned earlier here in the thread that's a topic for another discussion) so your left with 2 choices hl or atmas or well in theory a rare amu but imo nn u wanna be able to do switch to hl in certain situations like when using eth tits or stacking lr etc.
My ama already have like 135+ frw on bow slot from 5frw 3max 20ar sc's + 5frw 5@ sc's + wt's/bitters/upg infernos and some even use as much as 175-200 frw which in my opinion is totally pointless but that's a matter of taste/playing style - I like to have overall nice life and decent damage and tank a lot with eth rare matris since bolt adds nice light damage + kb and many people tend to only use dr vs a bower/hybrid/tribrid
in my experience amp actually does proc quite often and especially vs. hdins with oak, necs with oak+golem and druids that have the entire zoo - for instance by using straffe which quite often will instantaneously trigger amp but it does also trigger very well with fury/bolt/ga/multi and as I said before the 20% ar helps a lot vs mb users when using multi but also fury/bolt (ar is hidden attribute - doesn't show on screen). As a huge bonus with foi is the 7%ll vs the above mentioned chars.
and ofc I statted my passives to match atmas in bow and javelin mode so that's not a problem either and also without hl I don't have the issue with crit+ds battling for proc
I have both switches faith+hl and foi+atmas and I change them up once in a while but haven't really noticed a huge difference tbh
and lacerator switch is only really viable for pure bowers and imo eth tits or rare javs with mb is by far the better choice over lacerator amp proc switching




Sorry to say but you're clueless as to how actual GM matches run when you're playing a Bowazon


(A) Amplify Damage is against the rules to begin with
(B) It isn't all about desynch, if it were, an NK'd naked Amazon, wearing nothing but SCs out of it's inventory, running to get it's body, would never get hit, now would it? -->>> FRW is the most important thing that a Bowazon can stack, bugged or not, figure that out now
(C) Against good duelists, having 135% FRW isn't going to cut it, you won't be fast enough to kite a good Charger/Smiter, you won't be fast enough walk out of good Barb/Ghost WWs and you sure as hell won't be fast enough to WSG back up out of a good Trapper's MBing ~ Best of luck and cheers
(D) Against good duelists, when they see amp proc (which will only happen 5/100 actual hits ~ which maybe will happen 1/3 rounds against someone) they'll just teleport away for 6 seconds and come back ~ Not worth the ditch in life/frw ~ which mind you, always works, in every round, from the start to end
(E) Using Strafe, will get you killed against good duelists ~ This is the triumphant moment when any good Necro/Hammerdin/Druid/Barb/Ghost/Trapper/Kicker/Blizzer/Other Amazons, will realize that you're pinned in a 2 1/2 second frame animation and you'll be dead
(F) Hello Treachery! What it procs Fade?



But you go ahead and finish that build entirely centered around Atma's





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May 29 2013 12:00pm
Gonna say this, I only get hit by arrows when I'm diving a zon to try to kill them, generally I get hit by 3-5 arrows before I can actually start attacking them, and if one of those were to proc amp I would probably be hit again a few times before I could get away. Sure, it won't work 95/100 hits, but considering you can hit an amp proc'd person 1-3 times when they're proc'd per proc, you're using amp over 10% of the time to boost dmg.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure this was about FoI and faith, which I calculated FoI is better with his specific setup. I can do a ridiculous amount of calculations for you too, and we can see which one would be better for you, and even if atma's would be worth the damage for you too (can't really calculate the value of stats/frw).
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May 29 2013 12:21pm
In 99/100 situations
If you stand still to try and fire a stream of 3-4 GAs without moving out of the way
Something like a Hdin, Windy, Bone Nec, is going to land on you, dodge lock you and deal 3x the damage to you as your amp'd arrows deal to them

That's what I'm trying to explain here, is that things are beautiful in theory but very different in actual play
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May 29 2013 12:39pm
foi is a lot more fun and versatile, can use viz diadem with max ias bp etc...

may be debatable if u think bowazon is a 1 skill character (ga)



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May 29 2013 01:16pm
take foi

and buy mine vs 8 k :D
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May 31 2013 10:48am
Quote (Conrick @ 29 May 2013 20:16)
take foi

and buy mine vs 8 k :D


nn I have all ;)

@ TSBoyer sounds like ur pvm :lol:
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Jun 4 2013 08:11pm
Quote (TSBoyer @ May 29 2013 07:45am)
I see what you're saying but you really shouldn't be wearing anything other than Cat's Eye or Highlord's in PvP (Highlord's even, should only be used as a swap vs. V/Ts with FoH or similar builds that pressure your light res)
Atmas just does not work well in the end, 5% proc for a base level 1 amp is not only an unreliable proc but it's duration is too short to be practical
Losing the 30% FRW from Cat's Eye is a bad idea
Remember that 30% FRW on an amulet is more +20 life SCs that you will be carrying in your INV
Concerning 3% FRW SCs, that 30% FRW is worth 200 health, before BO
Concerning 5% FRW SCs, it's still 120 health, before BO

The choice of 45/120 to compensate for the lack of Cat's/Highlord's is also a bad idea
A Rare Diadem with ideal stats can front +30 STR and +20 DEX and since every extra point added to vitality on an Amazon adds +3 health, those + stats are worth a direct 150 health, before BO
By ditching Cat's/Highlord's you are losing around 350 health value, which is a big loss (considering that a good vitazon hits at only 2000 health before BO)

It takes an Amazon about 2000 health to be able to survive a single hammer or a single Blizzard, ect.. ect..
Often an Amazon survives a single hit and then gets a handful of dodges/avoids before a next hit lands and actually kills it
By sacrificing that big dip of 350 non BO'd health, you're going to end up with an Amazon that dies in 1 hit to Hammers/Blizzards/Charges
and 2 hits, to things like a Barb's/Ghost's whirlwind or a powerful smiter

The DPS (damage per second) that you are trying to achieve with Atma's 5% chance to proc 6 second duration, is not worth the loss in health and/or FRW
That 5% proc is only working 5/100 arrows that actually land a real hit
Those chances are terrible and in most rounds or even a full ft5, that proc won't even go off once


Almost every FPK matchup consists of at least one summon (Golem on Necromancer, multiple summons on Druid, Shadow master on Assassin, nothing native on Barbarian). Considering Decoy/Valk on Amazon, 4/7 classes have at least one summon native to there skill tree, and every class has Oak Sage/HoW available through charges. (Which is considered GM on West/EU)
Against these opponents, you now have a 5% chance to proc amp for both targets on hits.
At slvl 1, Amplify Damage still provides -100 physical resistance. Taking into account the abundance of DR focused gear setups against Amazons, Atma's is actually a very practical consideration. It's basically an RNG that can ridiculously increase your damage output vs a small potential gain in average damage.

It should be noted that Amplify Damage will drastically increase LF damage as well.

This post was edited by young2093 on Jun 4 2013 08:13pm
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