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Hmmm... for DvD I will suggest having a 99/174/%DR setup.

I guess since you just don't like DvD you've never tested it out really...



Oh, and I just looked....


imo 163/174 or 152 is best against Necs and Hdins.... But meh im not a real pro with Druids.... just common sense.



I personally don't dvd, and I do agree 99/174 > 99/99, however im to lazy to buy ele fhrs etc.

163/174, imo, is really not worth it.. Few reasons:

Terrible Damage
163 with wizspike is much more efficient in pubs games w/ trappers/sorcs, and in 4v4s
Druids should flat out massacre Hdins/Necros, so 174 fhr really isnt worth it :|.


I am not talking for pub Games really....

Actually... I disagree = \, Druids should flat out massacre NEWB hdins and necros


But a good nec will Run against an ele druid, and give you quite some trouble, this is problematic, and you need the 174fhr break point to break out of his Spears.


As for Hdins, most who know what they are doing will switch out to Grief PB, so as soon as you tele on them, they will smite you're ass... and due to crappy frames of the druid, you will have alot of trouble. Although It isint an impossible duel... it's still a tough one.



As for the DvD part, I guess it's okay to have a 99/99 setup if you put up a mix of run/tele during the duel.

But the best DvD druids ive seen were all using 99/174 setups.

Here is what I had in mind of a 99/174 Setup MAX DR setup.

Enigma (of coarse)
Ber with a -15% REQ +7%FHR COA or Ber Ber...... 4% DR difference.... I rather Go with Ber and -15% Req +7fhr Jewel, for more life.
Dual Spirit
Treks
Dungoz
1x10% FCR ring 20 STR.
Mara's
Bk Or soj.
Full 20 life SC's.


imo, that looks like a nice DvD setup. 50% DR, 174% FHR, 99% FCR.... only problem is damage = \ .... meh anyways... lol....

This post was edited by EvilTrinity on Jul 12 2006 10:47am
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Jul 12 2006 10:36am
Quote (riduckulous @ Wed, Jul 12 2006, 03:52am)

lmao...whirl wind lock?

they tele up to you, whirlwind, you tele behind them and their still whirlwinding, spam nados behind them

pwnt


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Jul 12 2006 02:10pm
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Quote (EvilTrinity @ Wed, Jul 12 2006, 04:01am)
Hmmm... for DvD I will suggest having a 99/174/%DR setup.

I guess since you just don't like DvD you've never tested it out really...



Oh, and I just looked....


imo 163/174 or 152 is best against Necs and Hdins.... But meh im not a real pro with Druids.... just common sense.

you can say 99/174 but the fact is you lose a shit load of life and inturn that next fhr bp is sort of a waste when you cant take the 2-3 nados left too win the match. ive dueled plenty of eles who use that set up and ive had no problems with them due too me able too just out tank them.


Pfft dry.gif. I rather like my max fhr setup, helps some in dealing w/ the shitload w/ leapbarbs and mb sins.

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As for Hdins, most who know what they are doing will switch out to Grief PB, so as soon as you tele on them, they will smite you're ass... and due to crappy frames of the druid, you will have alot of trouble. Although It isint an impossible duel... it's still a tough one.


Here is what I had in mind of a 99/174 Setup MAX DR setup.

Enigma (of coarse)
Ber with a -15% REQ +7%FHR COA or Ber Ber...... 4% DR difference.... I rather Go with Ber and -15% Req +7fhr Jewel, for more life.
Dual Spirit
Treks
Dungoz
1x10% FCR ring 20 STR.
Mara's
Bk Or soj.
Full 20 life SC's.



1) That's why you don't tele onto and stay around long enough for a smiter or hammerdin w/ a pb to namelock you....
2) EW at your theorycrafted dvd setup. Just.. ugh

This post was edited by Camden on Jul 12 2006 02:12pm
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Jul 12 2006 05:04pm
Well you may be an egotistical jerk in game, but I'm still glad to see that you put alot of thought into your dueling. Your more recent screenshots of dueling had led me to worry that you rely too much on accumulative advantages that you get from the 20 different dueling mods and programs you use.
I didn't read it all, but even I must say that it is well thought-out and organized. If you're feeling up to it you may want to just copy/paste the whole thing into a word document to do a quick spell check, but the spelling doesn't really affect the content at all so not that important.
My only other criticism is that most of your dueling strategies involve re-summoning/re-casting. I thought it was jsp that made re-summoning minions more than once BM, but I guess that was pvp-east. I know it sounds childish, and ideally it should never be BM to use your character's natural skills, but with minion stack glitch and all... it becomes an almost invincibility hack (against non-splash dmg attacks). Then again, I guess that's the appeal of windies in pvp.
Overall a good guide.
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Jul 12 2006 06:01pm
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I am not talking for pub Games really....

Actually... I disagree = \, Druids should flat out massacre NEWB hdins and necros


But a good nec will Run against an ele druid, and give you quite some trouble, this is problematic, and you need the 174fhr break point to break out of his Spears.


As for Hdins, most who know what they are doing will switch out to Grief PB, so as soon as you tele on them, they will smite you're ass... and due to crappy frames of the druid, you will have alot of trouble. Although It isint an impossible duel... it's still a tough one.



As for the DvD part, I guess it's okay to have a 99/99 setup if you put up a mix of run/tele during the duel.

But the best DvD druids ive seen were all using 99/174 setups.

Here is what I had in mind of a 99/174 Setup MAX DR setup.

Enigma (of coarse)
Ber with a -15% REQ +7%FHR COA or Ber Ber...... 4% DR difference.... I rather Go with Ber and -15% Req +7fhr Jewel, for more life.
Dual Spirit
Treks
Dungoz
1x10% FCR ring 20 STR.
Mara's
Bk Or soj.
Full 20 life SC's.


imo, that looks like a nice DvD setup. 50% DR, 174% FHR, 99% FCR.... only problem is damage = \ .... meh anyways... lol....


1st of 99-99 is what best druids use in dvd.

there is no better option. u dont need 174 for nothing.

2nd of u dont need 174fhr vs necros. u must be terrible to even loose to one.......

same hammerdins.... just recast wolves and pk them rofl....

its just impossible unless u duel someone like menzo(i have still beat him)

i have played/tested/dueled druids for long enough and i know what im saying.

thats all dude cool.gif

This post was edited by og_loc_resurection on Jul 12 2006 06:02pm
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Jul 12 2006 07:40pm
ok guide imo nice work ph34r.gif
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Jul 13 2006 01:45am
good guide needs some improving tho
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Jul 15 2006 11:23am
THIS BUILD SUX DONT USE IT OK
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Jul 15 2006 05:16pm
Really good guide from one of top druids on east
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Jul 17 2006 12:29am
which build is the best overall #1 #2 or #3
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