was fun dueling m8!
but i must say you give up a little fast!
to fast to make screanshots!

so i made some screanshots from baba!

tommy is #1 in my book

tommy bist bestest! Seriously let's rename planet earth to tommyria and make tommy emperor!!

10/10

what gloves are best frosties?

Another Up for this incredible sorc !

One question : I was thinking again about the mdr overflow.

I believe that only pure smiter wont be disturb by that (barbs will have some elemental dmge).
And even a pure smiter will probably Charge you once or twice, with random elemental damages (highlord or raven).

What about windy ? Tornado vs pdr only, and Hurricane vs mdr only ?

Actually I'm still not sure of the body armor :

20/27 Glads ?
-> 47 dr vs barbs / bowa / wwsins...
-> 27 dr vs sorcs / hammers / boners ...

or 34mdr armor (6mdr + 4xMal)
-> 34 dr vs barbs / bowa / wwsins...
-> 34 dr vs the other ?

What do you think ?
I know that Glads also gives fhr+PLR. And a decent defense.
But you seem to claim that your dr is already enough to tank even a Godly Barb...

Or do I miss-think ?

Really fail guide m8. 0/10.

its a nice consideration, the armor! and good input ofc! but somehow gladiator is best
i also considered a 4socced 15pdr armor, a total of 7*4+15 = 43 pdr+mdr / 28mdr
primely couse the can not be frozen, the gladtoator is best, ofc the fhr helps a little (nice vs smiter/MB)
34mdr vs others sounds still nice! (but vs all you want more pdr)

Some baba use angelics, not gives elemental damage
i done with lower pdr, and some baba killed me, when mana was still up!
Vs smiters 83pdr i have = 9960damage not drain life if mana is up!
mdr overflow not works vs smiter, stil works vs charge if the ele damage a little

Druid Huricane and nado are calculated seperate, and you have no overflow mdr
nn that match vs them!
i have Insightmode vs them: 68pdr (mdr not realy matters, just must be like 30 to tank a huricane)
i beleave a avrage nado do like 6k!/6/20 = 50pdr needed
Replenish life vs psn creaper!

pdr must be 80+ vs smiters, and alot smiter are arround in pups! with open wounds that means!
Some lower pdr can be done vs barb, however, angelic baba is dangerous!
(65pdr can be already great, also for pups! overall, 80+ is more for gozu duel, to tank a full strong smite at 1 life!)

mdr have some breakpoint, that i like to call it!
ofc the druid tank is 30mdr
and the necro tank (insight mode) 6k bone/6pvp/20es = 50mdr needed
(15string+27armor = 42 = at least 2 mal in helm!) (or you need to switch to creascent moon amulet!)

so lets say you have 2mal helm = 56mdr (btw i have 3 soc 23pdr helm!(is B helmet, i still in surch of A helmet!))
56mdr +17mdr gerke (i have!+7extra mal) = 80 mdr (i have extra helmet, and a -req jew in my gerke atm!) i have 80mdr to atm!

80mdr should be pretty ez to get * 6pvp * 20es = 9600 damage

you could take crescent moon amulet from your cube in inventory to boost it to 90
i myself could boost it to 97, if i resoc my gerke to mal
However some huge elemntal damages are not your kind of wana be tanked! you nn fireball duel
and a 10k damage is decent to tank with 1 life
after that mana is more a concern

however there is another breakpoint, the tank ow hammerdin breakpoint!
if they switch to ow gear the huge damage drop a little
so if you swap amu, 90mdr*6*20 = 10800 hammer dam tanked at 1 life

perfect balace i gess would be, for pups
(15string+27armor+14helm = 56 (breakpoint vs necro!)+18shield (-req jewel) vs hammer/charge or whatever
80-86pdr (25+25+20+16=86 perfect gear!)
vs elemntals and pure hammer, you also have your 40liget or 40+pups repl life (i have atm, 20hoto+19gerke/jew+9boots = 48repl life!)

i could do some more exact calculations on what the minimum mdr/pdr/repl life needed may be
and invest the rest in mana
(also mebe some stashed gear to get more mana, low 30mdr , for a pure vs druid setup or anykind! / or your 34mdr armor vs hammer)

ohh no!
is hot vs mf hammerdin!
and to show off! if needed

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Oct 1 2010 12:29pm

Thx for your precious answer, clearing my mind.
I'll go for Glads !
but I wont Charsi my 6mdr 4sox Armor

Hiho ! me again... I hope you wont think I spamm too much

Well you saw my post on Stigander topic, indeed I just discovered that multi-overflow thing.

Thus I was thinking of new gear, when dueling anything except pure physical (smiter - pure physical barbs -> not many I guess).

Suppose your opponent got 1 or more form of elemental damages :
- elemental charms (by mistake)
- highlord (many have it for the deadly strike of course, also for the ias)
- raven (for CbF, I will talk more about this later)
- grief on non-smiter (fire damages)
- faith (fire damages)
...
many usefull items for CC builds got some form of elemental.

So why not trying a pure mdr-build ?

helm : Hawnin + Mal (17mdr + 20replen, cold res)
body : Natalya + 3xMal (21mdr, PLR, poison res)
boots : Natalya (40frw, cold/light res, 15mdr from set-bonus)
belt : Strings (no change)
amu : 120mana / 6mdr for perfect but impossible, or simply Crescent moon (45mana 10mdr)
rings/gloves for mana (SoJ/frost), need tests but maybe in some situation dwarves could be fine (15mdr/fire%abs)

for a total of ~76 mdr with Insight on, ~101mdr with Hoto+Gerke-Mal.

vs Elemental damages, just working as 76/101 dr
vs physical + 1element working as 76/117dr (Gerke adds 16pdr)
vs physical + 2elements working as 152 / 218 dr !!
vs physical + 3elements working as 218 / 320 dr !!!!!

then you dont even need to get 95%es to be safe, I tested vs a Forty/Grief/Highlord/Raven/Beast/Gores/full 10/76/45 WW-barb, zero damage taken with 90%es only and 0 pdr, only mdr !


plus all gear is really cheap (except 120/6 amu) !!

and about Raven, if you build a FrozenOrb/es sorc, you can be sure that everybody will put Raven to duel you !

This post was edited by feanur on Oct 4 2010 08:54am