Mark, since we're buddies again, I can go on stream and show how I generate the initial fury to start Wrath without any initial fury generator.

yeah warcry ---> weapon throw --> few more throws --> full bulb --> battle rage ---> ww/nado --> wotb, something like that big deal, doesnt take a genius to figure out how it works since you throw at 10 fury and net gain 7 fury, because I know abt coefficients and procs, clap clap, still bash / frenzy >>>>

good to see you're happy I saved you the embarassment by calling you a troll

in the meantime, instead of wasting time on stream you might want to learn about coefficients and how they got nothing to do with damage.... lifesteal has a penalty not coefficient, its VERY different to coefficients, and nado happens to do 20% wpn dmg per tick, coefficients are something very different

but still explain to me why your gz dmg formula ignores str, skill ed, crit factor .... still waiting on that :/

omfg... you're an idiot. Wow. You're still not catching on. The algorithm, in itself, is MEANT for WW. The stats and proc coefficients have been approved and created by the guy who invented the build in the first place. Wow. Just... wow. You're incredibly fucking stupid.

I can't believe all the bad information that gets posted here to new Barbarians trying to understand the class. Judging by Mark's posts, he's been playing WW for awhile and considers himself an expert.

Everyone should have this thread bookmarked for references on tornado break points, Weapon damage, and proc coefficients: https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6037344497

Nubtro is the innovator of the WW build, not Dino.

I doubted weap throw at first but I after a few minutes of playing around with it I was pretty impressed. If you could get your hands on a three hundreth spear the DPS would far surpass the damage from bash/frenzy

Glad you like it. I personally don't use the 300th Spear because it can't roll out critical hit damage, leech, and a socket simultaneously. However, it doesn't mean I won't get one eventually. I would love to have one for PvP, just in case. The damage modifier really scales with the main-hand damage as well. So you would want one that has 45-50% weapon throw damage along with north of 950 DPS and a socket.

keep 180ing dude, now youre saying its only for ww? when that formula includes ww and nado .... stick to ur guns and prove yourself, else gtfo arrogant sob.

I never said im an expert or anything, you were the one who acted like you know it all, if i may remind you. 'Sit down' comments etc .... I have far less impressive gear than u got, just to let u know, but at least I know the difference between coefficient, weapon damage, and penalty.

The stats and proc coefficients have been approved and created by the guy who invented the build in the first place. --> So fucking what? Is he God? lmfao its outdated as fuck. Learn what a proc coefficient is and then come tell me it has something to do with damage...

I already understood his formula and see some obvious flaws in it. Ww doesnt even tick in the same way nado does, for every 1/3 of a cycle (the 0.4833 you came up with, 1/3 of 145 ww weapon dmg) it does not go up to 10tps LMFAO,
try ww next to a mob without sprint at 10tps and see if for every cycle you get 30 hits of ww LOL.

WW scales differently with attack speed to nados ... end of story.

And he leaves it up to some shady outdated calculator that cant even take all dps modifiers into account, to provide the average dps of mainhand and offhand ... gtfo, learn to do it yourself properly.

This post was edited by markilbaldacchino on Oct 28 2012 04:16pm

Someone's maddddddd. Can't understand the math, so he gets angry instead.

another 180 / dodge, keep em coming pls

You're doing more spinning than you probably do in game. Bad barb is bad.