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May 7 2012 07:29am
nvm, i will try to test it

This post was edited by LabattBlue on May 7 2012 07:31am
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May 7 2012 07:44am
Quote (LabattBlue @ 7 May 2012 14:16)
but i think there must be a ratio or formula. This game is formula based and i think it could be tested. (Not it)



no, not really

like what i've posted before and sir_lance_bb want to tell you is, that

dex is no longer the single stat fpr crit strikes, it affects the weap damage now directly

the stat: crit strike is just increasing the chance of critical strike by a set amount:

lets says due perf ratio you have a chance of 25% to crit, with that crit strike stat +5 you now have formula based a chance of lets say 28%

that means in conclusion you cant set 1cs=3dex, becouse it depends on the weapon you use:

charm it could be 5int
dagger it could be 5dex
club it could be 5str

and so on


@nick: your charm is maybe the best mid charm for daggers, but by far not even nearly the best mq charm ingame, that is for now the charm of TT with 5xstr 3xdex or whatever it is, which adds way more damage to HH class ;)
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May 7 2012 07:50am
Quote (Stok3d @ May 7 2012 08:48am)
I owned BOTH that 35 light and a 55 charm with 70dex+1Crit.  The 35Light was MUCH better and I used it for MQ.

Your generalization is VERY far from accurate on ratio.  At least when I played, it was closer to 1cs=3dex.  Yes, I did a VERY large amount of quality testing on this as I focused my entire melee setup around it...



I just tried to send it to Vault #257923 and it wouldn't let me :(


But there are a few items that have both stats and CS and the combo allows you to unlock godmode.    As for needing the dmg, you just let your abilities go at 10% to kill mobs which allows for MUCH quicker climbs.  Also, I've been reading a lot about these recent changes, didn't Paul make the game challenging again?  (I'm not going to lie--it's making me get that itch to slash again)


The game is no longer what it was when you played. All your testing means nothing now. All melee mechanics have changed. And wilds are better usable by all classes

And all that testing before ratio update is USELESS nick crit no longer is directly related to dexterity

This post was edited by SmokeyMcPot1990 on May 7 2012 08:03am
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May 7 2012 08:07am
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The game is no longer what it was when you played. All your testing means nothing now. All melee mechanics have changed. And wilds are better usable by all classes

And all that testing before  ratio update is USELESS nick crit no longer is directly related to dexterity




Only reason I bought Dex gear was the ratio update. I used to own 100% str gear until ratios came out. (I haven't been gone that long)
I believe you again are incorrect with what you're talking about here...

Quote (Meridius @ May 7 2012 09:44am)
@nick: your charm is maybe the best mid charm for daggers, but by far not even nearly the best mq charm ingame, that is for now the charm of TT with 5xstr 3xdex or whatever it is, which adds way more damage to HH class ;)


That charm is why I said 2nd best HH charm. ;) The Trust actually has it in thread right now for 100k. Surprised they're selling the sexy.

This post was edited by Stok3d on May 7 2012 08:22am
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May 7 2012 09:06am
Quote (Stok3d @ May 7 2012 10:07am)
Only reason I bought Dex gear was the ratio update.  I used to own 100% str gear until ratios came out.  (I haven't been gone that long)
I believe you again are incorrect with what you're talking about here...



That charm is why I said 2nd best HH charm. ;)  The Trust actually has it in thread right now for 100k.  Surprised they're selling the sexy.

Lol crit is crit thats like saying armor piece is equal to str or dex aswell seeing how it negates def and causes higher dmg and crits. Or mind numb is int.same adjournment can be made about a few stat. But they are only what they are nothing more
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May 7 2012 09:28am
there's simply no way to equate cs to dex. as been said dex mods the weapon crit mods the chance of the weapon doing more damage. that damage can't be formulated because there's a variance on critted damage, clicking, monster defense, weapon type/ee/stats/prophs. Best example I can personally give to show the vaule of cs is this.

Playing many games with outcast while myself and their member were both on ninja's using daggers and dex gear; amount of clicks the same, using the same abilities at the same % released. I was simple blown away in total damage and avg even though I had 10 more proph, 40more ee, 40 more total dex. All due to their dex/cs set up. It's that simple on the effectiveness of cs if you threw a dex amount on it then it doesnt add up to what it does in game and it can't due to the above mentioned variables. In the current melee game set up higher dex = higher base weapon damage, higher cs = your weapon over achieving it's listed stats.

this can be tested yourself with cs glyphs and compare your runs.
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May 7 2012 09:30am
Quote (SmokeyMcPot1990 @ 7 May 2012 16:06)
Lol crit is crit  thats like saying armor piece is equal to str or dex aswell seeing how it negates def and causes higher dmg and crits. Or mind numb is int.same adjournment can be made about a few stat. But they are only what they are nothing more


Ur statement is correct except for a small detail... Crits do ignore armor! So no higher dmg from ap for crits.
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May 7 2012 09:32am
Quote (Stok3d @ May 6 2012 09:02pm)
o.O

So something like the below is gg because of side mods??

Angelic lightning X
Level Req: 35
Spell Damage: 10 to 105
Mana Cost: 77

+50 Dexterity
+7 Critical Strike
+9% Armor Pierce
+2% Physical Damage Reduction


Quote (Meridius @ May 7 2012 03:57am)
its a nice item, but not worth your dream overpriced amount of 50k :)

let me guess, you payed something like 10k?

b2t: crit strike is nice but not compareable to dex , since your crit strikes with weapons are based on that ratio thing
crit strike just increases the chance for crits independent of your stats (dex/str)




Actually he paid 5200. But yeah, it's worth his price and more... :rolleyes:

http://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/itemHistory.php?i=3094328&c=0


This isn't about Nick or his overpriced gear, it's about Crit strike, which I think is one of the best mods we have left in LS.

inb4update

This post was edited by jlhromeo on May 7 2012 09:33am
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May 7 2012 09:49am
Quote (derDrops @ May 7 2012 11:30am)
Ur statement is correct except for a small detail... Crits do ignore armor! So no higher dmg from ap for crits.


No they dont. If they did Mind numb would not cause me to crit for more than the norm. crits are affected by defense.


Quote (jlhromeo @ May 7 2012 11:32am)
Actually he paid 5200.  But yeah, it's worth his price and more... :rolleyes:

http://ladderslasher.d2jsp.org/itemHistory.php?i=3094328&c=0


This isn't about Nick or his overpriced gear, it's about Crit strike, which I think is one of the best mods we have left in LS. 

inb4update


i disagree. its not a wild heal. no use to me.

This post was edited by SmokeyMcPot1990 on May 7 2012 09:50am
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May 7 2012 09:52am
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i disagree. its not a wild heal. no use to me.


Using your criteria, I guess my chain is no good as one of the best in game either then

Stop having such a narrow point of view.



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