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Nov 4 2022 10:32am
May i suggest this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W2J9Xy

For about the same price, it is so superior to the build sent (taggued you sir, so u can argue as well :) ).

Basically less RAM and cheaper PSU but huge boost on the CPU/GPU couple.

What is important in my opinion if you wanna be able to upgrade your rig in the future :
1) don't buy AM4 chipset That's why i advise you to go with Intel 13th gen (so socket 1700), and DDR5 compatibility.
2) And as for the GPU : the price to performance ratio heavily favors AMD GPUs right now. Unless you need to play games which rely on raytracing, you can get a RX 6800 for about the price of a 3060ti. If you plan on gaming with a 2k screen or just to hold your card for years to come, you need to consider vram (16 gb on RX 6800 vs 8 gb on 3060 ti)

However, you need to know that you're paying a big premium for having an evolutive gaming setup.

What if you decided you don't care about being able to upgrade your setup in the future?

If you were like "fck it i have no intention to upgrade my rig in the future, i would buy a new one", then probably go full AMD like this : https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/msQzK8/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-build
for the same gaming experience that the build MadMardi sent, you will be paying 500$ less
(i checked benchs 12400 vs 5600x, and 3060ti vs 6700xt, they are even in most gaming scenarios)


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Nov 4 2022 11:18am
Quote (Mac_Apo @ Nov 4 2022 10:32am)
May i suggest this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W2J9Xy

For about the same price, it is so superior to the build ^MadMardi sent (taggued you sir, so u can argue as well :) ).

Basically less RAM and cheaper PSU but huge boost on the CPU/GPU couple.

What is important in my opinion if you wanna be able to upgrade your rig in the future :
1) don't buy AM4 chipset That's why i advise you to go with Intel 13th gen (so socket 1700), and DDR5 compatibility.
2) And as for the GPU : the price to performance ratio heavily favors AMD GPUs right now. Unless you need to play games which rely on raytracing, you can get a RX 6800 for about the price of a 3060ti. If you plan on gaming with a 2k screen or just to hold your card for years to come, you need to consider vram (16 gb on RX 6800 vs 8 gb on 3060 ti)

However, you need to know that you're paying a big premium for having an evolutive gaming setup.

What if you decided you don't care about being able to upgrade your setup in the future?
If you were like "fck it i have no intention to upgrade my rig in the future, i would buy a new one", then probably go full AMD like this : https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/msQzK8/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-build
for the same gaming experience that the build MadMardi sent, you will be paying 500$ less
(i checked benchs 12400 vs 5600x, and 3060ti vs 6700xt, they are even in most gaming scenarios)


"if you want to upgrade your rig in the future, let's get intel who supports cpu sockets for AT MOST two generations and then you need to get an entirely new motherboard/ram".

mine as well wait for am5 at that rate. makes no sense

furthermore ddr5 is what, like 5-10% improvement for damn near exponentially more cost (as i checked, 2x the price.)

This post was edited by Candyzcanes on Nov 4 2022 11:19am
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Nov 4 2022 11:25am
Quote (Mac_Apo @ Nov 4 2022 10:32am)
May i suggest this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W2J9Xy

For about the same price, it is so superior to the build ^MadMardi sent (taggued you sir, so u can argue as well :) ).

Basically less RAM and cheaper PSU but huge boost on the CPU/GPU couple.

What is important in my opinion if you wanna be able to upgrade your rig in the future :
1) don't buy AM4 chipset That's why i advise you to go with Intel 13th gen (so socket 1700), and DDR5 compatibility.
2) And as for the GPU : the price to performance ratio heavily favors AMD GPUs right now. Unless you need to play games which rely on raytracing, you can get a RX 6800 for about the price of a 3060ti. If you plan on gaming with a 2k screen or just to hold your card for years to come, you need to consider vram (16 gb on RX 6800 vs 8 gb on 3060 ti)

However, you need to know that you're paying a big premium for having an evolutive gaming setup.

What if you decided you don't care about being able to upgrade your setup in the future?
If you were like "fck it i have no intention to upgrade my rig in the future, i would buy a new one", then probably go full AMD like this : https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/msQzK8/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-build
for the same gaming experience that the build MadMardi sent, you will be paying 500$ less
(i checked benchs 12400 vs 5600x, and 3060ti vs 6700xt, they are even in most gaming scenarios)


Superior? You gave him half the ram (32gb vs 64gb) and a PCIE Gen 3.0 storage/boot.

Even if it is DDR5, you'll have superior performance running Quad Channel DDR4 64gb vs. Dual Channel DDR5 32gb and more future proofing. The price to performance value for DDR5 just isn't there yet imo. If you're building 11th Gen and higher, do yourself a favor and use a PCIE Gen 4.0 (Samsung 980 pro, Western SN850 Black, Sabrent Rocket 4 plus, Crucial P5 plus, etc) as PCIE Gen 3.0 is becoming dated, 5.0 storage is well on it's way and the read/write speeds of Gen 4.0 is almost double Gen 3.0.

His CPU is 7 years old and he's still not having a problem gaming, setting him up with an unlocked processor won't help him and the cooler you selected is rather loud, it has high RPM in low state and is not of great quality overall.

You gave him an 850 bronze psu, running an RX 6800XT and an unlocked chip you would want a 80+ Gold vs 80+ Bronze.

The upgrade of GPU is always nice I like that idea, but if he's currently gaming on a 5 y/o pc and 7 y/o processor with no issues, I doubt he needs an RX 6800XT. Can save more money or splurge, really comes down to what OP wants. Effectively, RX 6800XT is about 6% faster than an RTX 3060 Ti overall.

Corsair 5000D is massive btw, I own a 4000D in my main gaming rig and it's almost too big tbh. Great airflow and cooling though.

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Nov 4 2022 12:34pm
Quote (Candyzcanes @ Nov 4 2022 06:18pm)
"if you want to upgrade your rig in the future, let's get intel who supports cpu sockets for AT MOST two generations and then you need to get an entirely new motherboard/ram".

mine as well wait for am5 at that rate. makes no sense

furthermore ddr5 is what, like 5-10% improvement for damn near exponentially more cost (as i checked, 2x the price.)


as i said, big premium so u can evolve your setup. I would not go DDR5 if i were to build a setup in november 2022, for the reason that i would not want to pay the price of new stuff with little to no improvement. that's why I also gave him another setup, much less evolutive but way better value for your money.

Yes in november 2022 if you care about price and evolving rig, intel is what i would advice. the point of his setup is gaming, how long will he last with a motherboard capable of holding 13th gen processors? ^^ AM5 is just too expensive right now, if you have a 1500$ budget.

Quote (MadMardi @ Nov 4 2022 06:25pm)
Superior? You gave him half the ram (32gb vs 64gb) and a PCIE Gen 3.0 storage/boot.

Even if it is DDR5, you'll have superior performance running Quad Channel DDR4 64gb vs. Dual Channel DDR5 32gb and more future proofing. The price to performance value for DDR5 just isn't there yet imo. If you're building 11th Gen and higher, do yourself a favor and use a PCIE Gen 4.0 (Samsung 980 pro, Western SN850 Black, Sabrent Rocket 4 plus, Crucial P5 plus, etc) as PCIE Gen 3.0 is becoming dated, 5.0 storage is well on it's way and the read/write speeds of Gen 4.0 is almost double Gen 3.0.

His CPU is 7 years old and he's still not having a problem gaming, setting him up with an unlocked processor won't help him and the cooler you selected is rather loud, it has high RPM in low state and is not of great quality overall.

You gave him an 850 bronze psu, running an RX 6800XT and an unlocked chip you would want a 80+ Gold vs 80+ Bronze.

The upgrade of GPU is always nice I like that idea, but if he's currently gaming on a 5 y/o pc and 7 y/o processor with no issues, I doubt he needs an RX 6800XT. Can save more money or splurge, really comes down to what OP wants. Effectively, RX 6800XT is about 6% faster than an RTX 3060 Ti overall.

Corsair 5000D is massive btw, I own a 4000D in my main gaming rig and it's almost too big tbh. Great airflow and cooling though.


About the RAMThe setup i have since early 2021 has 32 GB of RAM, i ve NEVER reached half of the usage while doing anything. video editing, gaming, streaming... 64 GB doesn't make any sense for his usage. Sry but i think thats a poor choice to go 64 gb now. better get 32 and put the money elsewhere.

About the PCIE 4.0
I was very choosy on this when i build my rig (i chose the 980 pro ^^') but after that, i went for some researchs and found some videos testing the actual difference between 3.0 and 4.0 for gaming, and guess what, it has about no effect whatsoever. yes its great to copy heavy files and stuff, but it does nothing for gaming. On the other hand, its more expensive /TO

About the PSU
You're right. to be honest its not my partpicker list, i took from someone with what i wanted overall. Not a bad idea to invest a bit more in PSU.
I usually do this to estimate my need of PSU : CPU tdp + 2 x GPU tdp = 725 W in this case. So 850 W bronze should still do well. (if u don't overclock, which he stated he wouldn't)

About the GPU
If you're talking about 1080p , well probably yes the difference is not much between a 3060ti and 6800xt. Who needs this kind of hardware to play in 1080p though?

but if you're talking about 2k resolution, dude are you insane? :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLucXiHRmOo

This is a no match dude, the 6800 xt absolutely rekts the 3060ti . And on top of that, there s this 8 Gb gap of vram, which will be even more a thing very soon. I've noticed that when i play D2R in ultra on my 2k screen, i easily reach 9-10 gb of vram usage. That means 2 things : 1) D2R is not the best optimized game? ^^ 2) 8 GB is simply not enough at all for any new setup aiming for 2k resolution.

This post was edited by Mac_Apo on Nov 4 2022 12:37pm
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Nov 4 2022 12:36pm
Quote (Mac_Apo @ Nov 4 2022 12:34pm)
as i said, big premium so u can evolve your setup. I would not go DDR5 if i were to build a setup in november 2022, for the reason that i would not want to pay the price of new stuff with little to no improvement. that's why I also gave him another setup, much less evolutive but way better value for your money.

Yes in november 2022 if you care about price and evolving rig, intel is what i would advice. the point of his setup is gaming, how long will he last with a motherboard capable of holding 13th gen processors? ^^ AM5 is just too expensive right now, if you have a 1500$ budget.



About the RAMThe setup i have since early 2021 has 32 GB of RAM, i ve NEVER reached half of the usage while doing anything. video editing, gaming, streaming... 64 GB doesn't make any sense for his usage. Sry but i think thats a poor choice to go 64 gb now. better get 32 and put the money elsewhere.

About the PCIE 4.0
I was very choosy on this when i build my rig (i chose the 980 pro ^^') but after that, i went for some researchs and found some videos testing the actual difference between 3.0 and 4.0 for gaming, and guess what, it has about no effect whatsoever. yes its great to copy heavy files and stuff, but it does nothing for gaming. On the other hand, its more expensive /TO

About the PSU
You're right. to be honest its not my partpicker list, i took from someone with what i wanted overall. Not a bad idea to invest a bit more in PSU.
I usually do this to estimate my need of PSU : CPU tdp + 2 x GPU tdp = 725 W in this case. So 850 W bronze should still do well.

About the GPU
If you're talking about 1080p , well probably yes the difference is not much between a 3060ti and 6800xt. Who needs this kind of hardware to play in 1080p though?

but if you're talking about 2k resolution, dude are you insane? :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLucXiHRmOo

This is a no match dude, the 6800 xt absolutely rekts the 3060ti . And on top of that, there s this 8 Gb gap of vram, which will be even more a thing very soon. I've noticed that when i play D2R in ultra on my 2k screen, i easily reach 9-10 gb of vram usage. That means 2 things : 1) D2R is not the best optimized game? ^^ 2) 8 GB is simply not enough at all for any new setup aiming for 2k resolution.


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Nov 4 2022 12:40pm
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can you elaborate? ^^'
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Nov 22 2022 10:19pm
bumping for black friday/cyber monday

e/ I would like to purchase the build no later than monday, so timeframe is 6 days

thanks handsome boys

This post was edited by Subtle on Nov 22 2022 10:20pm
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