I made tests during my break by counting hitchecks with highlord's lightning on shenk's mob. There are several interesting combos I put together in single player for testing. Sadly, my timer wasn't captured so you can't see the clear times:

Skilling: lvl99 barb
20points into sword, axe and polearm mastery
20points into ww

First impression:
1. It seems like IAS table for normal attack is being used for WW fpa breakpoints. Where usually 10fpa attack is located in normal attack table you get your 4fpa attack with WW. For weapons like War Pike and Thundermaul for example, it's impossible to reach 10fpa normal attack. Two handers with 0 speed were nerved hard (192ias needed) for GPA and Ghost Spear.
2. Good news is I noticed odd BPs for WW. At where 11fpa normal attack is located you get 5fpa WW. Yes, an odd number 5fpa attack but still much better than a 6fpa attack with a heavy hitter. Edeath Champion axe is a really good 2handed WW weapon now if you can reach 11fpa normal attack speed for 5fpa WW.
3. Dual Wield was buffed hard which means 2x edeath ettin axes hit really hard and can reach last WW bp.
4. Primary hand does seem to accelerate offhand but I am not sure because I didn't have time for extensive testing. I'd like you guys to try out grief pb + edeath colossus sword combo with 55ias in total (grief ias + offhand ias) and tell me whether you get the appropriate hitchecks with 0 ias on edeath CS.
5. Holy freeze and being frozen affects WW hitchecks by a lot! A holy freeze council member is life threatening in hc now.


All of this just some raw testing, nothing is sure so I wouldn't say my finding are set in stone.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jun 30 2022 08:58am

Doing the lords work.

Thank you for your efforts and time.

God bless your discovery ser, is eth death CB/CS viable now ty

I don't know how it would be a 1:1 normal attack table since different weapon types have different animation data. Unless its literally just using the normal attack animation data for every weapon type, in which case 1H vs 2H, swing vs thrust weapons might have different whirlwind breakpoints now.

Barbs base animation data for attacks are:
16 framesperdirection / 7 action frame for 1 hand swing, 1 hand thrust, all dual wield combinations
18 framesperdirection / 8 action frame for 2 hand swing
19 framespredirection / 9 action frame for 2 hand thrust and staves
12 framesperdirection / 6 action frame for hand to hand (unarmed)
15 framesperdirection / 7 action frame for bows
20 framesperdirection / 10 action frame for crossbows
256/256 animation speed in all cases

The general rule is that the 0% ias speed is FPD - 1, the maximum breakpoint is superceil(FPD/1.75-1)
where superceiling is like ceil() except each whole integer rounds up to the next, so 16 FPD normal attacks have 15 frames at 0% ias, 9 frames at its fastest breakpoint

If you ask me I was more impressed by 2x edeath ettin axes.I think with Guilli as helmet they're going to kick ass on a budget if the change to WW is permanent. You could even use oath ettin to accelerate death ettin theoretically but again this has to be tested I don't have time for it right now.

The other interesting point.
a balrogblade has got different normal attack frames compared to gpa which are both base 0 speed weapons. In the case of an oath blarogblade, you can reach 4fpa with just 138 total ias. To do the same for a GPA, you'd need 194ias. That's ridiculios. IK set is hot potato garbage tier then.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jun 30 2022 09:08am

I guess now eth cryptic > eth balrog because of the speed

BB is still a superior oath base even single handed. You'd need then 75ias of which oath already provides 50ias. Getting extra 25 ias shouldn't be a problem.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jun 30 2022 09:14am

So i just made a grief cb as a personal amusement item to go eith my grief pb, it rolled 33/387 haha, am i ww speed maxed with highlords and loh on? The pb is 36 i think if it matters

Ot feels great for what ita worth

These guys are doing thorough testing, might be of interest:
https://github.com/ChthonVII/d2r_24ptr2_wereform_calculator/issues/7

I'll be back in 2 hours. I can test setups you wish for me to test then. I'm going to test short WWs with ebotd WP and Thundermaul to see whether the first 2 hits are free or not.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jun 30 2022 10:26am

Thank you for your services 🙏

Have a few questions.

1) Does 1h + shield operate the same as your 2h example?

2) Does faith fanat interact with WW the same way (eias vs gear ias)?

3) Does dual wield still do 2 hit checks every 4 frames when only 1 target is available?

4) not related to barb testing, but sin has better normal attack table; do you think faster than 4pa is possible?

Ty sir