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Jan 5 2017 11:04am
Quote (grimaud @ Jan 5 2017 10:03am)
you just be fucking retarded then



Don't you have a bear to feed and food to catch?
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Jan 5 2017 11:11am
I would say something alse, but I feel like every time I talk to you I lower my IQ. so ill just let you keep going if u want, I wont respond to you from now on. You clearly just talking out of your ass, and have nothing intelligent to say to even make an argument about something. So ill tell you continue there bubble boy
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Jan 5 2017 11:14am
Quote (grimaud @ Jan 5 2017 10:11am)
I would say something alse, but I feel like every time I talk to you I lower my IQ. so ill just let you keep going if u want, I wont respond to you from now on. You clearly just talking out of your ass, and have nothing intelligent to say to even make an argument about something. So ill tell you continue there bubble boy



Russians are usually fun, but you're no fun... I bet if I had some jagermeister you'd be a good time huh?
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Jan 5 2017 11:59am
Never discuss about politics, religion, healthcare and guns with amer ... I mean Avenged123
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Jan 5 2017 11:59am
Quote (Avenged123 @ Jan 5 2017 10:58am)
I think a dictatorship is always about greed really... If Putin wanted to he could setup some sort of real democratic system in Russia... If he were in favor of having a real democratic system then there will be no need for them to have a civil war don't you think? I mean, they already have fake elections, just make them real lol... Eventually they'll have someone who is truly for bettering the country instead of making a name for themselves...
Do you think Russia would find a way to become economical stable if they became a democracy instead of having one person w/ one goal rule them?


your viewpoint is just simply wrong. greek and roman law had the ability to withhold elections in times of trouble because elections in the middle of war is a bad idea. "you don't switch horses in the middle of the stream" is the common idiom that people use. And wouldn't you look at that, FDR. The us did literally the same thing due to the Great Depression and WW2.

as to modern russia, you're ignoring what i said. Putin isn't being greedy exclusively, he's literally the glue holding together their country. I'm not sure if you're not aware but without a Oil deal struck with China a few years back at near cost to save their economy there likely already would be a civil war in Russia and full economic collapse. Russia has very little expendable resources, no tech sector business, no manufacturing on a modern level, a bad climate, alcoholism, and only Oil to sell to the world. The next time Russia collapses in economy they will either break into 4-5 territories or the power will be decentralized and states will rise to power much like we have.

but ya, if you think that Putin could step down and just implement democracy and everything would go ok you know literally nothing about Russia. It's just that simple.
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Jan 5 2017 12:12pm
Quote (Avenged123 @ Jan 5 2017 11:25am)
I more so meant name a dictator who didn't kill off their political opponents/ ppl who opposed them / use fear to remain in power, not a dictatorship that that ran well... Obv I didn't really clarify... I mean the European monarchy could be considered a dictatorship that flourished.


Salazar fought corruption while in power, which is not the same as jailing opponents. Considering what happened to Portugal after his death, he would have done better for his country if he had killed off the aristocrats. He did not keep government funds or feed money to his cronies. He owned nothing and his heirs got nothing.

There were a handful of great dictators in Africa that followed the same trend. Egypt and Burkina Faso come to mind
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Jan 5 2017 12:29pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 5 2017 10:59am)
your viewpoint is just simply wrong. greek and roman law had the ability to withhold elections in times of trouble because elections in the middle of war is a bad idea. "you don't switch horses in the middle of the stream" is the common idiom that people use. And wouldn't you look at that, FDR. The us did literally the same thing due to the Great Depression and WW2.

as to modern russia, you're ignoring what i said. Putin isn't being greedy exclusively, he's literally the glue holding together their country. I'm not sure if you're not aware but without a Oil deal struck with China a few years back at near cost to save their economy there likely already would be a civil war in Russia and full economic collapse. Russia has very little expendable resources, no tech sector business, no manufacturing on a modern level, a bad climate, alcoholism, and only Oil to sell to the world. The next time Russia collapses in economy they will either break into 4-5 territories or the power will be decentralized and states will rise to power much like we have.

but ya, if you think that Putin could step down and just implement democracy and everything would go ok you know literally nothing about Russia. It's just that simple.



So Russia basically only has oil to its name? You've mentioned teir reliance to oil in a previous post, i assumed they would have other means to become economical stable

A dictator usually only pushes his agenda, and all his advisors are just gonna back his agenda... Wouldn't it be better to have people who have different views take power from time to time... My thinking was that maybe someone will have a way to get them off of their reliance of oil... I mean, they're still considered a super power, is oil really the only thing they have that's beneficial?
If that's the case is it safe to say that communism set them years behind western society


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Salazar fought corruption while in power, which is not the same as jailing opponents. Considering what happened to Portugal after his death, he would have done better for his country if he had killed off the aristocrats. He did not keep government funds or feed money to his cronies. He owned nothing and his heirs got nothing.

There were a handful of great dictators in Africa that followed the same trend. Egypt and Burkina Faso come to mind


So he is similar to the current Filipino president?

This post was edited by Avenged123 on Jan 5 2017 12:44pm
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Never discuss about politics, religion, healthcare and guns with amer ... I mean Avenged123



We aren't really discussing politics though :/
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Jan 5 2017 02:29pm
Quote (Avenged123 @ Jan 5 2017 12:29pm)
So Russia basically only has oil to its name? You've mentioned teir reliance to oil in a previous post, i assumed they would have other means to become economical stable

A dictator usually only pushes his agenda, and all his advisors are just gonna back his agenda... Wouldn't it be better to have people who have different views take power from time to time... My thinking was that maybe someone will have a way to get them off of their reliance of oil... I mean, they're still considered a super power, is oil really the only thing they have that's beneficial?
If that's the case is it safe to say that communism set them years behind western society


oil is about all they have. they've got a lot of USSR cold war era weapons that are now way behind the mark. and they have spend a LOT of money on basically just rocket defense in some places. but for the most part, in terms of an economy that can support the hundreds of millions, they only have oil. agriculture isn't even possible in about half of the country in a commercial sense and they are simply behind in the tech and support sector.

also what you may not realize is this is the improved version of Russia, in terms of economy and treating the population better. It's easy to think that a guy who shoots journalists is bad to the population, which is wildly untrue when compared to the decline of the USSR when famine was common. Gorbie couldn't keep the ship afloat and when they broke up the communist state they essentially caused several countries to pull away simply to avoid war. I took economics in college taught by the former head of the Belarus national bank, the day the USSR fell he packed the whole of the bank's assets n garbage bags and fled to Poland to put the money in a safe bank because they feared a bank run riot by the military in a coup. Russia has never come back from the dissolving of the USSR, we just don't realize it because we as Americans see it as a great victory.

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Jan 5 2017 02:54pm
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oil is about all they have. they've got a lot of USSR cold war era weapons that are now way behind the mark. and they have spend a LOT of money on basically just rocket defense in some places. but for the most part, in terms of an economy that can support the hundreds of millions, they only have oil. agriculture isn't even possible in about half of the country in a commercial sense and they are simply behind in the tech and support sector.

also what you may not realize is this is the improved version of Russia, in terms of economy and treating the population better. It's easy to think that a guy who shoots journalists is bad to the population, which is wildly untrue when compared to the decline of the USSR when famine was common. Gorbie couldn't keep the ship afloat and when they broke up the communist state they essentially caused several countries to pull away simply to avoid war. I took economics in college taught by the former head of the Belarus national bank, the day the USSR fell he packed the whole of the bank's assets n garbage bags and fled to Poland to put the money in a safe bank because they feared a bank run riot by the military in a coup. Russia has never come back from the dissolving of the USSR, we just don't realize it because we as Americans see it as a great victory.



I didn't realize oil was literally the only thing the country had... I assumed they would have had some other means in order to become stable.
I understand Putin is better than a lot of other dictators they've had, but he's still a dictator... Maybe I just look down upon it cause #mericA
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