I made that inference based off of your own statement.

My point is that there is no scripture that says "do not have other people pray for you". In fact, there are plenty that tells us we should have other people pray for us. I do not believe Mary (or anyone else that is in Christ) is dead. If Mary were to become an idol or a savior, I would have a problem with that. But if a Catholic person wants to communicate with her (which is what prayer is), so she can bring their petitions to God.. go for it.

Mary is in heaven now. She can't pray for you.

That's my point.

The Word also says nothing about people in heaven praying for you. This belief seems like some rumor Catholic people pass down.

This post was edited by Rushton on Jul 10 2012 03:01pm

Angels intercede for children and they are in heaven...

Jesus spoke with Moses and Elijah who are also not of this world...

But in the case of Mary it is not possible?

If Mary is in Heaven, therefore she is with Jesus in the heart of the Father, then she hear your prayer and bring them to God

Where is Jesus ? in Heaven ? Then why you pray him..

Angels do not pray for you, they can be called down to protect you and guard and many other things. But the original prayer is asking the Lord to send his angels down to protect you.

And notice before Moses and Elijah came down Jesus was Transfigured making himself a bridge between Heaven and Earth.

Matthew 17
New King James Version (NKJV)
17 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.


She is in heaven. The Lord doesn't have a physical heart.

This post was edited by Rushton on Jul 10 2012 03:18pm

So angels only come down when we pray to God first? You think children do that? Also, you seem to be putting the word "prayer" on a pedestal. Praying involves asking requests, bringing petitions, and conversation. Catholics request that the Saints pray with them and for them.




Jesus rose as a physical being.

This post was edited by Dune1 on Jul 10 2012 03:26pm

what do you know about heaven ? Also, did I mentioned physical heart ? It can be spiritual heart..
Mary is in heaven with Jesus her son and all saints and all of those who are saved by the Grace of God since human kind exist. If we pray each one of them, they will help us (the humanity) to find are own achievement as human, finding our salvation and one day, re united all in one (the children of god) in the heaven. Thats Jesus Plan and we are all invited to share his own plan by accepting him in our lives

This post was edited by nekrotic on Jul 10 2012 03:26pm

I realize what prayer is.

Ok let's just throw all this crap out the window.

Let's say you can ask Mary to pray to God for you. Why? lol
Praying to him directly would be the EXACT same thing.

yes it would be the exact thing but.. if your life is a lack of wine and your jar is full of water, go see Mary and ask what you can do and she will awnser first: do whatever my son ask you to do, and then, will bring your request to him and see what will happen. You have the wedding of Cana in the Bible as reference bro.

Have a great journey in life and please, do not close any doors God is offering you along with the bible.

LOLLLLLLLL

So the entire belief is because of Mary's faith in her son?

MY MOM WOULD SAY THAT!
Any good mother would say that.

LOLLLLLLLLLLL

This post was edited by Rushton on Jul 10 2012 03:43pm