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May 22 2012 03:54pm
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I'm not religious and I wouldn't want my kids to see sex in public.


Congratulations. Just because YOU found a secular reason for banning it doesn't mean THEY did.
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May 22 2012 03:57pm
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Congratulations.  Just because YOU found a secular reason for banning it doesn't mean THEY did.


My point is that it has nothing to do with religion. It's just natural that sex is seen as a private thing, probably because of evolution.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

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...that is a horrible and incredibly inaccurate misinterpretation of the clause .
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My point is that it has nothing to do with religion. It's just natural that sex is seen as a private thing, probably because of evolution.


For YOU it has nothing to do with religion. You can't speak for everyone.

People derive their sense of morality from several things, one of them being religion. If we accept that we can legislate morality (pretty much everyone does), then you can't discriminate where they derive their morality from.

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May 22 2012 04:00pm
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It would mainly occur on a local level (such as certain counties in Utah prohibiting the sale of alcohol due to Mormonism).  I think this is acceptable if people in an area feel that it adversely affects their life.


You agreed with the items I posted. Aside from Constitutionality, do you not see an ethical problem with using the force of law to achieve Christian goals with non-Christians?
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For YOU it has nothing to do with religion.  You can't speak for everyone.

People derive their sense of morality from several things, one of them being religion.  If we accept that we can legislate morality (pretty much everyone does), then you can't discriminate where they derive their morality from.


But that's the point, they don't derive it from religion, they derive it from their natural sensibilities, and then they might take that and use religion as backup for their sensibilities. No where in the bible does it say "Thou shalt not have sex in public."
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May 22 2012 04:05pm
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You agreed with the items I posted. Aside from Constitutionality, do you not see an ethical problem with using the force of law to achieve Christian goals with non-Christians?


Ethically no. I believe that morality should be dictated as locally as possible though from a numbers point of view. It is more likely that you people agree locally than they do nationally. Morality is a very touchy subject.

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But that's the point, they don't derive it from religion, they derive it from their natural sensibilities, and then they might take that and use religion as backup for their sensibilities. No where in the bible does it say "Thou shalt not have sex in public."


True, it does not explicitly say that. There are several things that IMPLY that you shouldn't though in the Bible (see Paul). People were brought up with those Biblical ideals and they follow them. I don't know why you're arguing with me...I"m not making a general statement. I'm just saying that SOME people do indeed use values derived from religion to voice their opinion. Their opinion is enacted via legislation.
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May 22 2012 04:09pm
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Ethically no.  I believe that morality should be dictated as locally as possible though from a numbers point of view.  It is more likely that you people agree locally than they do nationally.  Morality is a very touchy subject.


It blows my mind that you see no ethical issue. For example, idolatry is a pretty integral part of Shintoism, yet you would use the law to deny that to them?
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But that's the point, they don't derive it from religion, they derive it from their natural sensibilities, and then they might take that and use religion as backup for their sensibilities. No where in the bible does it say "Thou shalt not have sex in public."


...and nowhere does it say " thou shalt not have sex with an elephant in church on a Tuesday " but a thorough understanding of Scripture would show both our examples to be displeasing to God .
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May 22 2012 04:17pm
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It blows my mind that you see no ethical issue. For example, idolatry is a pretty integral part of Shintoism, yet you would use the law to deny that to them?


If people want a Christian community, should they not be entitled to it? Should they not be able to live their life the way they want to without interference of Shintoism?
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