Having a serious, important, or useful quality or purpose.

In atheism there is no importance, purpose, or seriousness, considering all we do as humans will eventually be gone. Even if we left earth, all the resources in the entire universe will eventually be gone. Once everything is gone, or, and most likely, sooner than than that, we will all die. So what point is it to leave a cultural mark, raise children, or even advocate advancement, considering it will mean nothing in 10,000 years. Thats why I think atheism is worse for society than an agnostic mind set. Its similar to when you get a depressed philosophy major, they aren't very optimistic.

Ah, ok, confirmed.

How does that at all logically follow? Meaning today is not the same as meaning in 10,000 years.

It is not tautological. They are the same exact words with the same exact meaning.

You have to first accept the premise, that if there is no point, then its meaningless. Which I said was logically true. The only exception, i guess, is if you pretend there is meaning or you fabricate meaning into your life, as someone previously said. However I find thats irrelevant to my premise. What is the ultimate point if there is no future for us, as an individual or as a species.

I guess you'd define atheists as "people who find no meaning in anything" then.

Probably not your everyday self-proclaimed atheist's point of view. Certainly not my definition.

You're confusing atheism with various forms of nihilism. l2philosophy

(1) Perhaps life itself has no meaning.

(2) Having no meaning does not explicitly make you an atheist; the belief in an otherwordly being doesn't have any relevance to how you value life.

(3) An atheist can establish meaning.

(4) If you are going to state something is objectively true; provide an argument.

It is only your opinion that states everything is meaningless because it will be gone in 10000 years. I don't give a fuck about 10000 years from now, I'm alive now, and I intend to enjoy life as fully as possible, now.
Also, leaving a cultural mark, raising children, and advocating advancement are instinctual urges bred into us by evolution, and so whether there is a point or not, they will happen. I, in fact, agree there really isn't a point to these actions, but they are satisfying to me personally, so I will continue them anyway. Basing your argument about atheism being worse for society than agnosticism upon your mere opinion about atheism pretty much makes it invalid. I could, but won't, argue that since agnostics are indecisive about their beliefs, they will hesitate in moments of need and therefore have a negative effect on society compared to atheists, who at least picked something.

tautology is using two different ideas and pretending that they are the same, and so they equal each other. Thats not what I have done here.


A purpose is something that inspires one to take action. The purpose or meaning does not exist in atheism, considering any purpose or meaning can never lead to any sustainable end, considering individual death and eventual species extinction, with no hope of escaping entropy, of unlimited energy, nor of afterlife.

First of all, purpose is subjective. And the entire view you have about the meaning of life is subjective. Any conclusion you will ever make about what your life means to you and anyone else will be subjective.

You can't say no meaning exist in atheism. Atheism is nothing more than the claim that a god does not exist. It is nothing more and it nothing else. It doesn't go any deeper than that.

And just because life is numbered and there are variables and factors of this world that challenge your life doesn't mean there isn't meaning in them because the way you view them is your view.