Well the Christian's answer to that would be that you have to define eternal happiness. Happiness defined, in the Christian context means, knowing God. Heaven is basically where God is, hell is where God is not. Those who go to heaven want him and those who go to hell never wanted a thing to do with him. The sadness vs happiness idea that you are talking about is really only given meaning by what we know now. Heaven would be a place very different from our experience as human beings.

I also think that you are being a bit hasty in making the generalization that believers do things solely on the basis of reward or punishment in the afterlife. I have heard many say the opposite, that they live in Christian obedience because they believe it is the only genuine way to live in the here and now.

if something is meaningless its meaningless. Logic.

If A is B then A is B.

So what you are saying is that

A is B, but A isn't B, right?

So something is meaningless but its not meaningless.

Please explain why its wrong, otherwise.

Agnosticism can embrace meaning, logically. Atheism, unfortunately, cannot.

I am agnostic, so I have no idea.

What is meaning?

Note to self, if a square is a rectangle, then a rectangle is a square.

This post was edited by RITZ on May 23 2012 04:02pm

Did you really not understand that?

Sure as shit I didn't understand it.

I said if A is B then A is B, not if A is B then B is A

Regardless, I should of probably said A is A

considering meaningless is meaningless

....

It's a tautology.

I don't understand what you're trying to say...
You're trying to apply some sort of logic to atheism... and I'm pretty sure Voyaging is right on this one- it seems like your argument is tautological if I understand it at all...