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#51
May 22 2012 08:47am
Quote (Fervent @ 21 May 2012 01:17)
This is an argument based on fear, not reason.



It's childish to need to live your life and be virtuous only for the sake of a reward. We will all die, and we will all be forgotten.

Can you imagine bliss for eternity in heaven? How can you have such a thing without its opposite to give it contrast? It'd be like asking a fish to describe the water around it -- it wouldn't even recognize it. If one were to live in eternal joy, how could one describe it without sadness to give it meaning? It would have none.


Could not have said it better.

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#52
May 22 2012 10:12am
Quote (PixileDust @ May 20 2012 10:47pm)
Atheism embraces pointlessness, ethics are meaningless if the entire world is pointless. Saving the earth from "global warming" would be pointless if the world is meaningless. Staying faithful to a spouse and/or doing anything to help society as a whole is pointless, meaningless because it will all be gone anyways right? Especially if no one is going to reward you for it. What is the point of being remembered for any time at all when you will eventually be forgotten. Atheism is more harmful than religion. In fact religion is helpful to society.


This is just blatantly wrong.
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#53
May 22 2012 10:51am
Quote (Wakeskater77 @ May 22 2012 11:12am)
This is just blatantly wrong.


He is young, dualistic thought etc.
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#54
May 22 2012 02:35pm
Quote (Fervent @ May 21 2012 01:17am)
This is an argument based on fear, not reason.



It's childish to need to live your life and be virtuous only for the sake of a reward. We will all die, and we will all be forgotten.

Can you imagine bliss for eternity in heaven? How can you have such a thing without its opposite to give it contrast? It'd be like asking a fish to describe the water around it -- it wouldn't even recognize it. If one were to live in eternal joy, how could one describe it without sadness to give it meaning? It would have none.


False.
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#55
May 23 2012 06:27am
If you genuinely believe there's no meaning to athiests' lives, you must believe there's no meaning to this one life, other than to follow rules to get in to whatever magic theme park it is you believe in. So, I hope your actions follow your words and never accept medical treatment or safety precautions for yourself or your family - it'd be cruel to deprive them of earlier eternal bliss, right?

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#56
May 23 2012 01:38pm
I'm pretty sure if you're morally correct, and a nice person your entire life. Enjoying and appreciating the earth and nature. But don't believe in, or pray to a god every night. When you die and there is a god, that god should be nice enough to say come on in, unless you're a bad person, praying every night and worshiping someone shouldn't be the requirement to get into heaven. We have one life, we shouldn't waste a second of it.
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#57
May 23 2012 01:41pm
Quote (TheInferno @ May 23 2012 03:38pm)
I'm pretty sure if you're morally correct, and a nice person your entire life. Enjoying and appreciating the earth and nature. But don't believe in, or pray to a god every night. When you die and there is a god, that god should be nice enough to say come on in, unless you're a bad person, praying every night and worshiping someone shouldn't be the requirement to get into heaven. We have one life, we shouldn't waste a second of it.


...this is actually the most common theme of the " religion as I hope to hell it is " denomination .
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#58
May 23 2012 01:47pm
I can play that game too.



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May 23 2012 01:57pm
Quote (TrouNce @ May 23 2012 03:47pm)
I can play that game too.

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/463/pascalx.jpg


Yet MILLIONS of people play the lottery...and religion is a wee bit different then that.
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#60
May 23 2012 03:13pm
Pascal's wager is more of an argument against agnosticism than atheism. It is a proposal to agnostics who remain in suspended doubt and who don't see the importance of taking a side, each of which, make a very profound impact on everything you do and how you view life.

The argument is so grossly oversimplified at times. The wager in his writings do not only concern the afterlife, but rather how your perspective impacts the way you live and view life NOW.

This post was edited by PoorRichard on May 23 2012 03:14pm
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