Quote (MyEnemy @ Mar 14 2012 09:53am)

I expect america hating pro sharia law muslims are gods on earth bullshit from goomshill, he's a moron.  But the rest of you, thinking iran could do anything militarily to stop a us invasion is ignorance I wouldn't expect from PaRD.  They would have no air force whatsoever since ours can shoot them down without them knowing ours is even there.  On the ground our troops would have close air support.  That alone wins battles, bar the fact that our infantry is much much better trained, stronger faster better educated, better equipped. The lists goes on and on.  We would jam any communications they could attempt and for fucks sake what are you people thinking?  Too much fucking call of duty.

Quote (ZingerSupreme @ Mar 14 2012 08:08pm)

Actually, the doctrine born in the first gulf war - that air superiority is sufficient to win asymmetric wars, is already falling. See the Lebanon Israel war in 2006. Israel had complete air superiority yet could not advance much on land. Regarding communications, you can't jam wired communications, only wireless :) You can bet your ass the vital communication of Iran's military are connected by wire. Iran sure can't destroy the invading US military but they severely complicate the operation to a degree where it is no longer feasible.

Let us take a step back to have a result oriented discussion.
To measure the success potential of an attack, we have to first define what sort of attack and what goals it is suppose to accomplish.
Well? What kind of attack and goals are we talking about?

Quote (ZingerSupreme @ 14 Mar 2012 03:08)

Actually, the doctrine born in the first gulf war - that air superiority is sufficient to win asymmetric wars, is already falling. See the Lebanon Israel war in 2006. Israel had complete air superiority yet could not advance much on land. Regarding communications, you can't jam wired communications, only wireless You can bet your ass the vital communication of Iran's military are connected by wire. Iran sure can't destroy the invading US military but they severely complicate the operation to a degree where it is no longer feasible.

Let us take a step back to have a result oriented discussion.
To measure the success potential of an attack, we have to first define what sort of attack and what goals it is suppose to accomplish.
Well? What kind of attack and goals are we talking about?

Quote (MyEnemy @ Mar 14 2012 10:15am)

I'm not going to refute every nitpicking detail you come up with after this one time.  Wires can be cut, regardless the communication I was talking about was communication of ground forces, on the move.  This is going to have to be the last time I say it, the united states would decimate the iranian military.  Have free reign of the country, especially if not trying to protect the population from terrorist attacks.  We could destroy any facility Iran has, any building, destroy everything we want, then leave, with a miniscule amount of casualties.  Iran hos not the technology or proficient military to do ANYTHING about it.

Quote (ZingerSupreme @ 14 Mar 2012 03:29)

I think that for a soldier you are pretty ignorant of military affairs. Kids these days think war is a game that is exactly why America will be in for a surprise if they attack Iran.

"Wires can be cut" - Cut? Seriously? Do you cut them from an F16 as well? And how will you find the wires? You realize this requires extensive ground involvement no?

"I was talking about was communication of ground forces, on the move" - They don't need to have communication on the move, or they can carry a wireless communication device to only use in emergencies. If the Iranians set up a couple 100 stationary  positions capable of firing ground to sea missiles, with wires connected to each one... what can you do about that from the air? You won't have enough intelligence to bomb them all, because any building or warehouse could be such a location. Once the rocket launching team gets the orders by wire, they will fire the rockets and disappear to another location before the airforce can strike it. This is exactly what Hezbollah, did against Israel, the Israeli airforce was arriving less than a minute after rocket fire and that was not fast enough. Iran is much larger geographically, and chances are you won't be able to make it this fast.

destroy everything we want, then leave - Oh really? And when Iran retaliates on your bases and closes Hormuz you will continue leaving?

Quote (MyEnemy @ Mar 14 2012 08:15pm)

I'm not going to refute every nitpicking detail you come up with after this one time.  Wires can be cut, regardless the communication I was talking about was communication of ground forces, on the move.  This is going to have to be the last time I say it, the united states would decimate the iranian military.  Have free reign of the country, especially if not trying to protect the population from terrorist attacks.  We could destroy any facility Iran has, any building, destroy everything we want, then leave, with a miniscule amount of casualties.  Iran hos not the technology or proficient military to do ANYTHING about it.

Quote (MyEnemy @ Mar 14 2012 10:35am)

Not going to bother replying to the herp derp that isn't bolded

Quote (MyEnemy @ Mar 14 2012 10:35am)

Close the straight of Hormuz?  seriously?  do you think there is a big door they shut and lock with a padlock?  We have a thing called a navy.  Iran has as much power to close the straight of Hormuz as you have to turn off the sun.

Quote (ZingerSupreme @ 14 Mar 2012 10:08)

Actually, the doctrine born in the first gulf war - that air superiority is sufficient to win asymmetric wars, is already falling. See the Lebanon Israel war in 2006. Israel had complete air superiority yet could not advance much on land. Regarding communications, you can't jam wired communications, only wireless You can bet your ass the vital communication of Iran's military are connected by wire. Iran sure can't destroy the invading US military but they severely complicate the operation to a degree where it is no longer feasible.

Let us take a step back to have a result oriented discussion.
To measure the success potential of an attack, we have to first define what sort of attack and what goals it is suppose to accomplish.
Well? What kind of attack and goals are we talking about?

Quote (ZingerSupreme @ 14 Mar 2012 03:40)

They probably didn't teach you about it in the military so you think it is herp derp. Thanks for proclaiming you don't have a mind of your own.



So... your fleet would have to stay in Hormuz under fire for a while, months at least... that contradicts "leaving" no?

Quote (Many_Names @ Mar 14 2012 10:42am)

and the Chief of Staff was from the air force which he believed could finish this round quickly, he was wrong.

Quote (Many_Names @ Mar 14 2012 10:42am)

As for Iran military, it is vast yet filled with old russion technology and it won't survive against the US.