Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 16 2018 02:56pm)

They will likely do both

Quote (Voyaging @ 16 Aug 2018 21:39)

That is not the lawsuit. The lawsuit is for the baker refusing to make a pink and blue cake in celebration of a gender transitioning anniversary.

Quote (inkanddagger @ Aug 16 2018 02:31pm)

This is on topic. Just because your personal opinion is that the request "went too far" doesn't mean that my opinion is the same. Opinion based interpretations with the end goal of discrimination are to be admonished in a free society.

If I didn't want to make a cake because the person requested a gruesome depiction of a man being executed via crucifixion on a wooden cross, would you immediately jump to "but Jesus isn't gruesome!" as a defense? It's opinion. If I think depictions of Jesus ought to be banned from my shop because of their explicitly violent visual messaging, but you think it's a beautiful representation of a God sacrificing Himself to pay the blood debt incurred by His creation... well, who is right? The answer is that it doesn't matter because religion is a protected class. If I want to ban Jesus from my cake shop, I can start a private cake shop or I can just suck it up and obey the laws so that I can maintain the state-protected profits I want to earn at my public facing business.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Aug 16 2018 03:02pm)

thanks

https://www.apnews.com/f561dd94839744cca86996cfef508e83

Cardina said she asked for a cake with a pink interior and a blue exterior and told Phillips it was intended to celebrate her gender transition. She did not state in her complaint whether she asked for the cake to have a message on it.

so now we all know the real deal about this story.

Quote (Warlock316 @ Aug 16 2018 03:07pm)

is this guy the only person with a cake shop or some shit?

Quote (inkanddagger @ Aug 16 2018 01:42pm)

Conservatives need to try harder to maintain some intellectual consistency.

If you want to discriminate against the public, nobody is stopping you from starting a private, membership based company that caters to specific races, classes, genders, or religious affiliations. It is totally legal in the United States to run a private business that doesn't allow blacks to drink from their water fountains, for example, if it is a private membership business.

But if you want limited liability protection from the state and you want to charter your business with the state in order to take advantage of corporate status, and you are using government resources and government power to run your public facing business, then you have to follow nondiscrimination laws and operate within the confines of a public-facing business.

It's pretty simple really. If you despise the state and believe in private enterprise and the superiority of the business owner to discriminate, nobody is stopping you from doing so in this country.

But if you are an intellectually inconsistent bigot who wants all of the benefits of a state chartered public facing business, you can keep your filthy racist, misogynistic, transphobic opinions out of it.

Quote (Sakuraba @ Aug 16 2018 06:16pm)

There have been plenty of lawsuits against private membership organizations based on discrimination and what constitutes public accommodation. Last time I checked, he pays taxes, "government resources" are his resources.

Secondly, he never denied customers sale, they can buy all the cakes they want, he denied them a custom, unique service based on his skills. A very specific request to his labor in a business that offers more than just custom work. You can deny a contract that isn't in your best interests. Web designers don't have to create pornography sites just because someone requested their services.